Remembering TCPaul, 2016-2019

Did Alabama pwn the libs with the abortion law?

??? krishnaramamurthy05/15/19
Yeah, wily. avalanchediode05/15/19
If Roe v. Wade is overturned, it's a victory. If Kav and/or superttthero05/15/19
I think they pwnd themselves - the law is too extreme, and w dingbat05/15/19
How is a pregnant woman going to get any sort of medical car midlaw05/15/19
Idk, maybe not kill babies as part of their “medical care? avalanchediode05/15/19
Pregnant woman goes to see doctor. Doctor treats her for som midlaw05/15/19
The number of miscarriages makes that scenario unlikely. I d superttthero05/15/19
Not “all,” but it doesn’t take many investigations bef midlaw05/15/19
Don't OB GYN docs already have some of the highest malpracti frida205/15/19
What, so the woman goes to the police saying the doc murdere avalanchediode05/15/19
Based on your expansive legal practice in such matters? Haha vohod05/15/19
Haha yeah my extensive abortion legal expertise, like every avalanchediode05/15/19
I specialize in the abortion of legal careers. Close enough? vohod05/15/19
Not necessarily. A latish term miscarry is going to involve midlaw05/15/19
Is that not allowed now though? That is, couldn't states cri superttthero05/15/19
he's saying anytime a pregnancy is terminated (miscarriage o shouldalearnedmath05/15/19
It'll be just the way they want it - like before the civil w dingbat05/15/19
It'll be just the way they want it - like before the civil w dingbat05/15/19
Why do Alabama taxpayers want to pay for this? They keep ACL frida205/15/19
Price is no object in standing against murder. That’s lik doublefriedchicken05/15/19
Was this intended to be ironic? cowgod05/15/19
The doctor said my mom should've had an abortion, TBH greenday7505/15/19
I’m surprised the doctor didn’t sue your mother for malp dingbat05/15/19
Varmints gonna varmint. In response, I'll just have to impor shithead05/15/19
No matter how many Anti-Choice lawrzz dey done pass, Fapio2 vohod05/15/19
TITCR midlaw05/15/19
Merits aside, this is just bad strategy. Let’s assume that jorgedeclaro05/15/19
I don't question the motive of many pro-life people. The lef superttthero05/15/19
Sure. And I believe the NAACP genuinely believed in furtheri jorgedeclaro05/15/19
Dems frame it as a war on women and then these sociopathic l whatnext05/15/19
They're playing to a base, but I don't believe that a large superttthero05/15/19
Shame they can't manage to stop themselves from electing lun whatnext05/15/19
dbl whatnext05/15/19
years after he left office, George Wallace admitted that dee williamdrayton05/15/19
And this matters why? midlaw05/15/19
Ricegol needs to weigh in. Ha vohod05/15/19
I bring it up because Super T wondered aloud how many Alabam ricegol05/15/19
I'm not sure if effectively outlawing abortion will help to spacelawesq05/15/19
Haha 180 whatnext05/15/19
Haha. However, remember that the Republican voter base i cowgod05/15/19
Numbers support this: 65% of abortions in Alabama in 2016 we cowgod05/16/19
That's a feature, not a bug tho taxamnesty05/16/19
Next up: elect the pedo to the US Senate because Jesus! cowgod05/15/19
Southern Republicans believe strongly and with conviction th taxamnesty05/15/19
They believe in the sanctity of life from the moment of conc dingbat05/15/19
I am not entirely "pro-choice" and voted for Bernie Sanders, superttthero05/15/19
Gonna get 'em whores this time around!!! Mmmmkkkk taxamnesty05/15/19
that's why I hate the two-party system. It's all about us v dingbat05/15/19
Heh, life is sacred right up until the first shoplifting off dieter05/15/19
Somehow Alabama outlawing abortion is blowing the libs minds doublefriedchicken05/15/19
I think some people probably thought even the Republicans mi cowgod05/15/19
There is nothing wrong with 30yo prosecutor bang...errr "dat taxamnesty05/15/19
0/10 troll attempt dovesoap05/15/19
What if I said that he is your daughters cousin? Would th taxamnesty05/15/19
I grew up in Alabama in the 70s and a 30 year old dating a h doublefriedchicken05/15/19
I am sure it was not any more kosher than vis a vis now. Alm taxamnesty05/15/19
1800's, Alabama! What a great place and time! We're so happy jorgedeclaro05/15/19
Dovesoap and Fabio2 ought to shack up as brothers in love in vohod05/15/19
New York Bans Guns: State’s rights, baby! Alabama Bans brokelawyer05/15/19
https://twitter.com/RightWingWatch/ status/112871252664299520 frida205/15/19
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Laws against abortions are some of the most anti-fiscally co chrissands05/15/19
Laws against abortions are some of the most anti-fiscally co chrissands05/15/19
"They want to challenge Roe vs. Wade, but my humble view is superttthero05/15/19
He’s right. This is the last thing John Roberts wants. H whatnext05/15/19
Ahem, if only someone with a touch more credibility than Pat jorgedeclaro05/16/19
Roe v Wade is not the guiding precedent. It’s Casey. massivemissive05/16/19
Are AL Supreme Court Judges appointed in such a way that we superttthero05/16/19
It will go to the fed circuit. It will die there. massivemissive05/16/19
Pullman won’t apply because there’s no need for a state jorgedeclaro05/16/19



krishnaramamurthy (May 15, 2019 - 12:07 pm)

???

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avalanchediode (May 15, 2019 - 12:11 pm)

Yeah, wily.

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superttthero (May 15, 2019 - 12:15 pm)

If Roe v. Wade is overturned, it's a victory. If Kav and/or Roberts decides to uphold it then really they played themselves hard by going to such extremes.

It's one thing to put an extreme position in a negotiation, it's another to do so in legislation.

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dingbat (May 15, 2019 - 12:25 pm)

I think they pwnd themselves - the law is too extreme, and will get overturned/blocked long before it gets to the supreme court.

The smarter route would have been the Texas route of slowly chipping away, leaving abortion technically legal but de facto impossible.

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midlaw (May 15, 2019 - 12:40 pm)

How is a pregnant woman going to get any sort of medical care in Alabama? Any doctor that treats a woman who is (or even might be) pregnant is going to face a criminal investigation if anything goes wrong with the pregnancy.

There will soon be no OB/GYNs in the old confederacy.

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avalanchediode (May 15, 2019 - 12:41 pm)

Idk, maybe not kill babies as part of their “medical care?”

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midlaw (May 15, 2019 - 1:11 pm)

Pregnant woman goes to see doctor. Doctor treats her for something not abortion related. Woman miscarries 2 days later. Six week/month criminal investigation ensues.

No doctor will work under those conditions. They are all gonna move to the blue states.

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superttthero (May 15, 2019 - 1:23 pm)

The number of miscarriages makes that scenario unlikely. I don't think you are wrong that there'll be more red tape and investigations, but the idea that any miscarriage will lead to an investigation is a little absurd.

If the law were to somehow win all challenges, I imagine the majority investigations will occur when an ex wants to cause trouble and calls something in, and likely some board will be set up to look at aggregate miscarriage numbers before investigating further.

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midlaw (May 15, 2019 - 1:40 pm)

Not “all,” but it doesn’t take many investigations before docs just say “screw this” and either move or stop treating pregnant women.

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frida2 (May 15, 2019 - 1:49 pm)

Don't OB GYN docs already have some of the highest malpractice insurance rates of all the specialties?

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avalanchediode (May 15, 2019 - 1:27 pm)

What, so the woman goes to the police saying the doc murdered her baby? Would happen in any state. If going a different route with that hypo, there isn’t going to be an abortion police questioning every miscarriage.

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vohod (May 15, 2019 - 1:32 pm)

Based on your expansive legal practice in such matters? Hahahahahahaha

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avalanchediode (May 15, 2019 - 1:33 pm)

Haha yeah my extensive abortion legal expertise, like every other lawyer.

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vohod (May 15, 2019 - 1:35 pm)

I specialize in the abortion of legal careers. Close enough?

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midlaw (May 15, 2019 - 1:42 pm)

Not necessarily. A latish term miscarry is going to involve going to a hospital. It would be reported and investigated.

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superttthero (May 15, 2019 - 1:48 pm)

Is that not allowed now though? That is, couldn't states criminalize abortions latish term if they give some waivers like life of the mother? (not rhetorical question)

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shouldalearnedmath (May 15, 2019 - 3:19 pm)

he's saying anytime a pregnancy is terminated (miscarriage or otherwise) state board is going to be out wondering if doc did an abortion. Woman doesn't have to do anything.

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dingbat (May 15, 2019 - 12:42 pm)

It'll be just the way they want it - like before the civil war!

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dingbat (May 15, 2019 - 12:42 pm)

It'll be just the way they want it - like before the civil war!

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frida2 (May 15, 2019 - 12:57 pm)

Why do Alabama taxpayers want to pay for this? They keep ACLU busy and well funded. If the conceived are persons you won't be able to deport or imprison pregnant women. Also, child support could be collected from the date of conception or heartbeat. Interesting stuff for ACLU attorneys, a disaster for Alabama tax payers.

"Since 2013, Alabama has paid $3.72 million to the American Civil Liberties Union after losing or settling lawsuits related to state laws on abortion, same-sex marriage and immigration.

To put costs in perspective, here are a few budget items Alabama could fund for one year, with the $1.7 million it paid the ACLU for the 2016 lawsuit"

https://www.al.com/politics/2019/05/as-alabama-considers-abortion-test-case-a-look-at-the-17-million-paid-for-previous-failed-abortion-law.html?outputType=amp&__twitter_impression=true

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doublefriedchicken (May 15, 2019 - 2:02 pm)

Price is no object in standing against murder. That’s like arguing it would be too expensive to get the Jews out of Germany.

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cowgod (May 15, 2019 - 2:13 pm)

Was this intended to be ironic?

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greenday75 (May 15, 2019 - 12:59 pm)

The doctor said my mom should've had an abortion, TBH

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dingbat (May 15, 2019 - 1:58 pm)

I’m surprised the doctor didn’t sue your mother for malpractice

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shithead (May 15, 2019 - 1:01 pm)

Varmints gonna varmint. In response, I'll just have to import more illegals to vote Democrat. I'll block fabiosh!t from coming back to the States though.

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vohod (May 15, 2019 - 1:17 pm)

No matter how many Anti-Choice lawrzz dey done pass, Fapio2 ain’t be gettin dem dare women folk to do no hanky panky wit him.

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midlaw (May 15, 2019 - 1:20 pm)

TITCR

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jorgedeclaro (May 15, 2019 - 1:49 pm)

Merits aside, this is just bad strategy. Let’s assume that five members of the Supreme Court would be willing to role back Roe and Casey. There is no way this is the case. It’s way too soon and way too extreme. We are decades past the FDR new dealers and Warren Court saying idgaf about how things look, full steam ahead. At the very minimum, you need a Quinn before you get to Janis. 0% chance that scotus grants cert on this case. 0%

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superttthero (May 15, 2019 - 1:56 pm)

I don't question the motive of many pro-life people. The left likes to case it as "a war on women" but I really believe most pro-life supporters genuinely believe this is a living human worthy of protection (even personally, it's not an issue I'm very vocal about because I'm torn).

That being said, the sociopath legislators don't really care about this issue. They try to hit home-runs which will get them votes. If they lose, then they blame the other side and still win (personally). There is no political benefit to a slow, steady or even just approach. Go for the kill, if you win, you look like a hero, if you lose, then demonize the other side.

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jorgedeclaro (May 15, 2019 - 2:22 pm)

Sure. And I believe the NAACP genuinely believed in furthering the social welfare of black people. But the Inc. Fund knew how to pick it’s spots and set up a test case. There is a huge benefit politically to going slow if you win: you get to point to the scoreboard.

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whatnext (May 15, 2019 - 2:27 pm)

Dems frame it as a war on women and then these sociopathic legislators...prove them to be correct.

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superttthero (May 15, 2019 - 2:30 pm)

They're playing to a base, but I don't believe that a large portion of pro-life people are in favor of abortion laws because they hate women.

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whatnext (May 15, 2019 - 3:09 pm)

Shame they can't manage to stop themselves from electing lunatics like the ones in Alabama.

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whatnext (May 15, 2019 - 3:09 pm)

dbl

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williamdrayton (May 15, 2019 - 5:55 pm)

years after he left office, George Wallace admitted that deep down he didn't really give a rip about segregation and civil rights. all that schoolhouse door stuff was political theater designed to get votes.

he said something along the lines of "to get elected in Alabama circa 1960, you had to yell segregation louder than your opponent.

I'm thinking most of these anti-choice legislators are true believers but I wouldn't be surprised if a few are like wallace.

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midlaw (May 15, 2019 - 6:02 pm)

And this matters why?

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vohod (May 15, 2019 - 6:04 pm)

Ricegol needs to weigh in. Ha

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ricegol (May 15, 2019 - 8:54 pm)

I bring it up because Super T wondered aloud how many Alabama pols were simply trolling for votes as opposed to the true believers who liken abortion to the Holocaust.

Trolling for votes happens everywhere.

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spacelawesq (May 15, 2019 - 1:57 pm)

I'm not sure if effectively outlawing abortion will help to slow the spread of white genocide in the great state of Alabama.

Are you sure it was the libs who got pwned here? Can we check back in 20 years?

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whatnext (May 15, 2019 - 2:12 pm)

Haha 180

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cowgod (May 15, 2019 - 2:15 pm)

Haha.

However, remember that the Republican voter base is rabidly enthusiastic about voting against their own interests. The harder they fck themselves, the greater the victory! And, they LIKE having lots of colored folk to blame their problems on. #whitegenocide

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cowgod (May 16, 2019 - 3:27 pm)

Numbers support this: 65% of abortions in Alabama in 2016 were women of color, even though 68% of the population is white. Preventing abortions would result in a lot more poor, unemployed minorities with nothing better to do than genocide whites.

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taxamnesty (May 16, 2019 - 3:29 pm)

That's a feature, not a bug tho

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cowgod (May 15, 2019 - 2:20 pm)

Next up: elect the pedo to the US Senate because Jesus!

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taxamnesty (May 15, 2019 - 2:46 pm)

Southern Republicans believe strongly and with conviction that whores shouldn't get second chances.

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dingbat (May 15, 2019 - 3:03 pm)

They believe in the sanctity of life from the moment of conception to the moment of delivery

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superttthero (May 15, 2019 - 3:05 pm)

I am not entirely "pro-choice" and voted for Bernie Sanders, Hillary, feeling that we need more social safety nets, free healthcare, and a protections for working class and poor. This is a very stereotypical argument trying to paint everyone with one position as the same.

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taxamnesty (May 15, 2019 - 3:09 pm)

Gonna get 'em whores this time around!!! Mmmmkkkk

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dingbat (May 15, 2019 - 4:45 pm)

that's why I hate the two-party system. It's all about us vs them, red vs blue. Winning over compromising. It's evil if their side does it, but tolerable on our side.

It means catering to the extremes, because in most locations primaries matter more than the real election.

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dieter (May 15, 2019 - 9:00 pm)

Heh, life is sacred right up until the first shoplifting offense for those unwanted kids. Then it's death penalty, no appeal.

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doublefriedchicken (May 15, 2019 - 3:10 pm)

Somehow Alabama outlawing abortion is blowing the libs minds. What did they think Alabama would do?

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cowgod (May 15, 2019 - 3:14 pm)

I think some people probably thought even the Republicans might draw the line at rape or incest, but that was probably wishful thinking now that they're already "out" as pro-pedophile.

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taxamnesty (May 15, 2019 - 3:18 pm)

There is nothing wrong with 30yo prosecutor bang...errr "dating" high school chix.

He is merely claiming what's right his as an alpha male.

I and many other Bros like gazoo would be happy to let that guy bang our teenager daughters. NBD.

Obviously lil skank would need to keep any mistakes she makes!!! This is the South!

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dovesoap (May 15, 2019 - 3:30 pm)

0/10 troll attempt

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taxamnesty (May 15, 2019 - 3:34 pm)

What if I said that he is your daughters cousin?

Would that improve my troll scores?

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doublefriedchicken (May 15, 2019 - 4:01 pm)

I grew up in Alabama in the 70s and a 30 year old dating a high schooler would be creepy and frowned upon, but it definitely wouldn't be a complete freak out and no one would call him a ped.

Not saying it is cool and I wouldn't want a 30 year old dating my daughter, but the "young man - teenage girl" thing is a lot more prohibited now than it was back then. Elvis dated 14 year olds a lot.

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taxamnesty (May 15, 2019 - 4:24 pm)

I am sure it was not any more kosher than vis a vis now. Almost everyone would agree unless the issue involves trump and politics, then we have 50/50 split along party line where Republicans will give out their jail bait daughters to perves to prove their point.

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jorgedeclaro (May 15, 2019 - 3:42 pm)

1800's, Alabama! What a great place and time! We're so happy that we live in 1800's Alabama 'cause it's sunny and there is no crime. And in this little town in 1800's Alabama there's a family by the name of Keller! Their daughter's deaf and mute and blind as a bat, and her parents can't even tell her!!

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vohod (May 15, 2019 - 4:12 pm)

Dovesoap and Fabio2 ought to shack up as brothers in love in Huntsville

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brokelawyer (May 15, 2019 - 4:57 pm)

New York Bans Guns: State’s rights, baby!

Alabama Bans Abortions: What?!?!

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frida2 (May 15, 2019 - 7:11 pm)

https://twitter.com/RightWingWatch/status/1128712526642995201?s=19

"It's an extreme law": Pat Robertson says that Alabama's anti-abortion law goes too far and will most likely lose at the Supreme Court. https://t.co/lDuteweasq

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frida2 (May 15, 2019 - 9:12 pm)

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chrissands (May 15, 2019 - 9:26 pm)

Laws against abortions are some of the most anti-fiscally conservative laws possible. If Roe gets overturned, abortions are still going to be legal in a number of states. Therefore, the rich and the middle class can hop on an jet and go have an abortion in a state where it is legal. The poor, on the other hand, do not have that luxury, which means they will probably have those kids, and this means more Wic, more food stamps, more Medicaid, more Section 8, more welfare payments. It would also not surprise me if these babies who are not aborted end up utilizing the criminal justice system on an above average basis. The upside is that maybe it will lead to a hiring of more lawyers as prosecutors and defense attorneys.

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chrissands (May 15, 2019 - 9:26 pm)

Laws against abortions are some of the most anti-fiscally conservative laws possible. If Roe gets overturned, abortions are still going to be legal in a number of states. Therefore, the rich and the middle class can hop on an jet and go have an abortion in a state where it is legal. The poor, on the other hand, do not have that luxury, which means they will probably have those kids, and this means more Wic, more food stamps, more Medicaid, more Section 8, more welfare payments. It would also not surprise me if these babies who are not aborted end up utilizing the criminal justice system on an above average basis. The upside is that maybe it will lead to a hiring of more lawyers as prosecutors and defense attorneys.

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superttthero (May 15, 2019 - 10:02 pm)

"They want to challenge Roe vs. Wade, but my humble view is I don’t think that’s the case I’d want to bring to the Supreme Court because I think this one will lose."

-- Pat Robertson

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whatnext (May 15, 2019 - 10:17 pm)

He’s right. This is the last thing John Roberts wants. He’s been trying to be incremental about it and Alabama waltzes in and is gonna blow the whole thing up.

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jorgedeclaro (May 16, 2019 - 11:43 am)

Ahem, if only someone with a touch more credibility than Pat Robertson had made this EXACT SAME POINT earlier in this thread.

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massivemissive (May 16, 2019 - 3:42 pm)

Roe v Wade is not the guiding precedent. It’s Casey.

I don’t see the Court granting cert when the law is overturned. Incremental change is more likely.

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superttthero (May 16, 2019 - 3:59 pm)

Are AL Supreme Court Judges appointed in such a way that we can be sure it'll be overturned if it goes that route?

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massivemissive (May 16, 2019 - 4:51 pm)

It will go to the fed circuit. It will die there.

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jorgedeclaro (May 16, 2019 - 5:03 pm)

Pullman won’t apply because there’s no need for a state constitutional based claim. Opponents will go directly to federal court and won’t have any problem getting relief.

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