Remembering TCPaul, 2016-2019

Frontier vs Tacoma (earnest discussion topic)

It seems like I can buy a 3-5 year old Tacoma with like 50-7 greenday7503/13/19
Nissans are not as well made as Toyotas overall in my experi persius03/13/19
Have you owned both? greenday7503/13/19
Yes, but not many. I owned a Nissan and it was very che persius03/13/19
Both trucks? Or other models? My bro had an 09 versa that wa greenday7503/13/19
Virtually no difference between a 2005 Frontier and a new on bigwags03/13/19
Is that a bad thing? Seems like the kinks would be worked ou greenday7503/13/19
Why do you hate OT posters? bigwags03/13/19
I ❤️ them! greenday7503/13/19
Nissan’s business story goes like this: A reliable Also thecharmingmresq03/13/19
They actually made a manga about it thecharmingmresq03/13/19
... thecharmingmresq03/13/19
All Japanese Car Firms took a little bit of a dive after ~20 theimmigrant03/13/19
As the owner of a Nissan, this is my experience. midlaw03/13/19
As usual, bigwags is like 25% right (as evidenced by his GPA theimmigrant03/13/19
Shut up, queer. I thought the first generation tacoma went t bigwags03/13/19
How would you even know, have you sat in either? Legroom is theimmigrant03/13/19
Wanted a 2012 Tacoma Limited as my first Truck. Was disappoi bigwags03/13/19
OP, watch the Top Gear episode (2 parts, actually) about try thecharmingmresq03/13/19
That was a Hilux. Not same guy. Gg. bigwags03/13/19
Exactly precisely the identically same guy. Gg thecharmingmresq03/13/19
No dum dum. The diesel in a Hilux is physically more durable bigwags03/13/19
Tacoma, owned two beloved by my mechanic and myself. My Tac trijocker03/13/19
A lot to review here, thanks for the replies. Looks like greenday7503/14/19
Yes the Tacoma is the best. Paid 12k over msrp for my man bangbus03/14/19
I saw a leftover 2018 on cars.com under msrp earlier today. greenday7503/14/19
Manual trd pro in ca? Probably. Automatic, no. I dr bangbus03/14/19
FIND A USED 3/4 TON SUBURBAN WITH THE 8.1 GASSER YEAH YEAH Y lucapacioli03/14/19
To give you a feel for how mental Tacomas are, here is a leg thecharmingmresq03/14/19
I would go with ford or Chevy if you are looking for value. persius03/15/19



greenday75 (Mar 13, 2019 - 5:59 pm)

It seems like I can buy a 3-5 year old Tacoma with like 50-75k miles for the same price as new base Frontier. Is the Tacoma that much better?

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persius (Mar 13, 2019 - 6:07 pm)

Nissans are not as well made as Toyotas overall in my experience.

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greenday75 (Mar 13, 2019 - 6:08 pm)

Have you owned both?

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persius (Mar 13, 2019 - 6:15 pm)

Yes, but not many.

I owned a Nissan and it was very cheaply made. Small things like tailgate shocks would break while it was still new. It seemed like they had no quality control and gave me the impression it was a flimsy car. I didn’t own it very long.

I had a Toyota that had over 200k mikes and seemed bulletproof.

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greenday75 (Mar 13, 2019 - 6:53 pm)

Both trucks? Or other models? My bro had an 09 versa that was solid. No issues at all.

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bigwags (Mar 13, 2019 - 6:36 pm)

Virtually no difference between a 2005 Frontier and a new one sitting on the lot. Tacoma has had two major redesigns and I believe two refreshes since then. HTH.

Frontiers are the mirages of the truck world. Absolute worst you can buy.

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greenday75 (Mar 13, 2019 - 6:42 pm)

Is that a bad thing? Seems like the kinks would be worked out since it’s been around so long.

Mirage is a solid car btw. Highly recommend to all OT posters.

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bigwags (Mar 13, 2019 - 6:49 pm)

Why do you hate OT posters?

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greenday75 (Mar 13, 2019 - 6:52 pm)

I ❤️ them!

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thecharmingmresq (Mar 13, 2019 - 7:26 pm)

Nissan’s business story goes like this:

A reliable Also-Ran for much of its life, it zigged a few times when it should have zagged and got in troubles in the early 00s financially and as a brand.

A Brazilian Jew took over and immediately realized their dire straits. He decided that instead of loosing to Toyota over and over again as the Number One, they should call the whole thing off and go for a “1% better than Hyundai/Chevy” instead and reposition themselves as leaders of the bottom tier instead of losers of the top tier.

Since the Ghosn reign, they encheapened anything they could. Trim fitment went out the window, they made a garbage CVT that they put in EVERYTHING even knowing that it sucked, etc.

At the same time, Ghosn made a deal w the devil to juice sales. He had huge slashes off MSRP, made lending standards the lowest in the new car world, and instituted a policy that if you ever had a lease/loan through Nissan financial and payed it back, they wouldn’t run your credit scores on a new car. They’d automatically finance you, even if the loan was from decades ago and you had a divorce/bankruptcy since then.

The idea was to juice income for a few years and use the proceeds to right the ship down the line when Nissan got out of the red, but the FatCats and sharehoalders learned to love the juiced up returns so they never did build quality back up.

In the end, Ghosn ended up arrested and jailed for high-jinks and Nissan is now a Kia for subprime borrowers. Even Infinity succumbed to the whole business culture, only a handful are worth owning.

But, we’re almost now on the other side of the equation. Nissans, and frontiers in specific, are really undervalued. I want to go on the record as saying the Frontier is in every way inferior to the Tacoma-genuinely every single way-but you can get blazing deals on them which makes them almost cool again. I think of the Frontier as the VW Bug of the trick world. It’s spartan and crappy, but it’s likely to be a cult classic because the value proposition is so terrific.

A Tacoma is an “A” trick at an “A+” price, a Frontier is a “C“ truck at a “D-“ price

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thecharmingmresq (Mar 13, 2019 - 7:28 pm)

They actually made a manga about it

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thecharmingmresq (Mar 13, 2019 - 7:35 pm)

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theimmigrant (Mar 13, 2019 - 7:39 pm)

All Japanese Car Firms took a little bit of a dive after ~2000 but Nissan was the most noticable imho. You basically forget that they exist now, as if they are tailored precisely to appeal to the darker races plus proles plus Hertz rental car, filling the void left by Pontiac/Saturn/Mercury/Ford/Chevy Cars. The GT-R is 180 but no one cares.

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midlaw (Mar 13, 2019 - 8:32 pm)

As the owner of a Nissan, this is my experience.

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theimmigrant (Mar 13, 2019 - 7:33 pm)

As usual, bigwags is like 25% right (as evidenced by his GPA).

The Tacoma's latest redesign was basically a phenotype refresh. Same basic truck since '05 iirc. Maybe it has bluetooth and more airbags now, but it's the same guy. It just has better road manners than the Frontier; a Frontier is closer to an old Ranger in how it feels/drives; a Tacoma is close to, like, a Jeep Grand Cherokee or something. The Frontier has a crappy auto transmission that hunts for gears and is Bad imho; a manual would probably even things out. Tacoma legroom is Ruinous in double-cab imho; Frontier seemed a little better.

If you're getting a less-optioned last-gen truck, a used Tacoma is a lot cheaper because the more optioned trucks were like $10k+ more new.

Btw, you have a Car. You cannot drive two vehicles at once. Why the Truck? Discuss.

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bigwags (Mar 13, 2019 - 7:37 pm)

Shut up, queer. I thought the first generation tacoma went through 2006, not 2004. To be fair, these years were the trough of my college GPA.

Point still stands, Tacoma is a superior midsize truck, as you stated on the record.

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theimmigrant (Mar 13, 2019 - 7:42 pm)

How would you even know, have you sat in either? Legroom is atrocious.

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bigwags (Mar 13, 2019 - 8:25 pm)

Wanted a 2012 Tacoma Limited as my first Truck. Was disappointed that the steering column couldn't clear my thighs even with the seat the whole way back and down. Then the salesman sold me into the 4.6 DC Tundra, which I then traded for my current 5.7 CM.

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thecharmingmresq (Mar 13, 2019 - 7:39 pm)

OP, watch the Top Gear episode (2 parts, actually) about trying to kill a Tacoma and get back to us. It is fantastic television and genuinely informative of the build quality

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bigwags (Mar 13, 2019 - 8:30 pm)

That was a Hilux. Not same guy. Gg.

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thecharmingmresq (Mar 13, 2019 - 8:59 pm)

Exactly precisely the identically same guy. Gg

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bigwags (Mar 13, 2019 - 9:03 pm)

No dum dum. The diesel in a Hilux is physically more durable and less susceptible to physical impact than the gasser in a Taco.

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trijocker (Mar 13, 2019 - 8:53 pm)

Tacoma, owned two beloved by my mechanic and myself.
My Tacomas were driven into the ground in the upper 200000 mile range.
I'm not sure you are as big thighed as Bigwags, so you don't have to worry about the steering clearing. I had others drive my truck and I never saw anyone who couldn't fit, but these were CA people, mostly skinny types.

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greenday75 (Mar 14, 2019 - 12:53 pm)

A lot to review here, thanks for the replies.

Looks like the consensus is Tacoma all the way. Gonna keep searching for a good deal!

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bangbus (Mar 14, 2019 - 5:03 pm)

Yes the Tacoma is the best.

Paid 12k over msrp for my manual trd pro in plumber's favorite color

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greenday75 (Mar 14, 2019 - 5:07 pm)

I saw a leftover 2018 on cars.com under msrp earlier today. Should I snag it?

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bangbus (Mar 14, 2019 - 5:25 pm)

Manual trd pro in ca?

Probably.

Automatic, no.

I drive by a toyota lot all the time and I've seen their 2019 trd pro has been sitting on the lot for awhile.

Its vodou blue and automatic tho.

Manuals are hard to get.

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lucapacioli (Mar 14, 2019 - 6:02 pm)

FIND A USED 3/4 TON SUBURBAN WITH THE 8.1 GASSER YEAH YEAH YEAH

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thecharmingmresq (Mar 14, 2019 - 11:41 pm)

To give you a feel for how mental Tacomas are, here is a legitimate ad from a legitimate source advertising a 300 thousand mile truck for like 7k. That’s madness. A new 2wd king cab frontier in this same zip is 21. There’s only a 3x premium for THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND less miles.
The fact that a Tacoma is still a liquid asset at 300k, let alone an asset w such high value, is crazy



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persius (Mar 15, 2019 - 1:12 am)

I would go with ford or Chevy if you are looking for value. It is a different story when it comes to cars, but when it comes to trucks there every bit as good as the Toyotas and probably better. They are also very cheap to fix and easy to work on. There are a lot of them out there so you can always find a good deal on one. They usually have great deals on the new ones when they have an oversupply. You can easily get 300k to 400k miles out of a well maintained Ford or Chevy truck as long as you don’t live in some frozen tundra where it will rust out.

I would put dodge trucks more on par with Nissan.

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