Remembering TCPaul, 2016-2019

Life since leaving the law... Some observations

Hey Guys, I used to poast here when I was in law school. confused1l9301/31/19
"Im glad to see that the "mood" is a lot more positive [than imoothereforeim01/31/19
How exactly do you suggest we generate revenue? As in sell trijocker01/31/19
Sure no problem. 1. First always look for a possible way confused1l9301/31/19
How do you make money? isthisit01/31/19
You can do all kinds of things. Decent money can be made do jeffm01/31/19
The quickest way to earn ANY kind of money is to learn how t kenco01/31/19
I mean. I'm all about Analsis. But can someones please save magellan01/31/19
greenday75 tried and it did not Go Well. lucapacioli01/31/19
Lol... I try to be helpful and positive and a lawyer poasts confused1l9302/01/19
The point is that if you can generate revenue, law is a terr midlaw02/01/19
Lol I see what you mean. I guess all im saying is that i confused1l9302/01/19
I will say credited on this one. I see dumb as door nail att cocolawyer02/01/19
Engineering is not rare. There are like millions of Engineer theimmigrant02/01/19
I sell software and do freelance copywriting. I don’t confused1l9302/02/19
I sell software and do freelance copywriting. I don’t confused1l9302/02/19
The secret to generating revenue is making money? That is gr therewillbeblood02/02/19
@Theimmigrant- you are right in that there is no “general confused1l9302/07/19
"I sell software and do freelance copywriting" Lol! Do bangbus02/07/19
If you make 500k on a W2, it’s not much on the coasts eith wearyattorney02/09/19
A lot enterprise reps make 500k+. The standard year (assumin confused1l9302/08/19



confused1l93 (Jan 31, 2019 - 1:23 pm)

Hey Guys,

I used to poast here when I was in law school. Im glad to see that the "mood" is a lot more positive then it used to be. I ended up leaving the law after graduation and life has been great to me since getting the guts to make the decision. I wanted to post some observations.

1. There are WAY easier ways to make money other than practicing law... even if your a liberal artist like me.... I would go as far as to say that I am a really dumb liberal artist. The law is just a straight up rougher game.. Its possible but I feel like some of my friends from Law school are wasting a lot of their potential slugging it out. There are some lawyers who do extremely well... But I feel they would have succeeded doing pretty much anything.

2. The quickest way to earn ANY kind of money is to learn how to generate revenue. No other skills (other than really rare ones like engineering) pay enough. Whether its in law or other industries revenue generators are always the ones who get paid. If your not making enough your first though should be "how do I generate more revenue for the organization I work for."


I wanted to post because although its been an interesting road I've never been quite as happy. I was miserable in law school because I hated that I thought I was destined to become an attorney.

I've been extremely happy since I made the decision to leave. Student debt and apparently dubious job prospects be damned.

Be well,

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imoothereforeim (Jan 31, 2019 - 1:28 pm)

"Im glad to see that the "mood" is a lot more positive [than] it used to be."


Admin sent the bad-mooder to the Dome.

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trijocker (Jan 31, 2019 - 2:03 pm)

How exactly do you suggest we generate revenue?
As in sell real estate on the weekends, or get another license?
Or would you suggest we do IT work, become Cisco certified?
Or just get a side hustle like MLM pyramid scheming selling soap, or coins?
I think people here would like some tips, as long as it's legal, not drug running.

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confused1l93 (Jan 31, 2019 - 4:58 pm)

Sure no problem.

1. First always look for a possible way to generate in your current work environment. In a law firm context that means asking for a fee splitting arrangement with your boss. Find ways to get in front of/near the kinds of clients your firm serves. You will become immediately more valuable to your employer and your income should increase. Every boss likes new money coming in. If you work for a big law firm.. that different.. They make it hard AF for associates to get in front of clients.

2. Find a revenue source that is tangentially related to your primary law practice. If I did criminal or immigration I would do a bond business kind of thing. Or it would be performing another service that your clients already need. I don't what you guys do but its always good that your second income stream is similar to your first... My ideas might be stupid.. only because I don't know about your current situation(s) Ya'll know that better than I do.

3. Start building something e-commerce related on the side. If you know nothing start reaching out to companies and writing copy for them for a fee. That way you learn how to sell online and you will naturally start generating ideas for your own thing.

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isthisit (Jan 31, 2019 - 5:29 pm)

How do you make money?

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jeffm (Jan 31, 2019 - 6:06 pm)

You can do all kinds of things. Decent money can be made doing the "Storage Wars" thing. My brother did reasonably well with it. Of course, it's work, and if you don't want to work, it wouldn't be for you.

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kenco (Jan 31, 2019 - 6:33 pm)

The quickest way to earn ANY kind of money is to learn how to generate revenue. No other skills (other than really rare ones like engineering) pay enough. Whether its in law or other industries revenue generators are always the ones who get paid. If your not making enough your first though should be "how do I generate more revenue for the organization I work for."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoning

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magellan (Jan 31, 2019 - 6:54 pm)

I mean. I'm all about Analsis. But can someones please save sazarac?

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lucapacioli (Jan 31, 2019 - 8:30 pm)

greenday75 tried and it did not Go Well.

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confused1l93 (Feb 1, 2019 - 1:27 am)

Lol... I try to be helpful and positive and a lawyer poasts about logical fallacies!

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midlaw (Feb 1, 2019 - 1:59 am)

The point is that if you can generate revenue, law is a terrific profession. Just like everything else. Therefore, your advice is unhelpful except insofar as it restates the obvious.

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confused1l93 (Feb 1, 2019 - 3:59 pm)

Lol I see what you mean.

I guess all im saying is that if you want to increase your income, you should focus your energy on improving your sales skills instead of other skills. People who do that tend to be better off financially...

The typical objection is usually "I'm not naturally good at it." This is stupid as its a skill that is systematically learned and developed over time.

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cocolawyer (Feb 1, 2019 - 4:52 pm)

I will say credited on this one. I see dumb as door nail attorneys, who have no respect in the legal community, having an overflow of client's because they can sell themselves.

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theimmigrant (Feb 1, 2019 - 5:12 pm)

Engineering is not rare. There are like millions of Engineers irl, like way more than there are practising lawyers. Many of them post on the internet.

By the way, what do you actually do? Any observations specific to your experience?

You are right about Law though, and I say the same about any profession with a consistent funnel of personnel geysering into it for any reason. When there is a STRICT career track, that sort of thing appeals to people, even though the bridge between the educational aspect and irl income is fraught with all manner of peril, entropy, randomnity, job interviews, and general Chaos causing a plurality to just fall off the face of the earth and stop even posting on the internet like kiethd (no offence).

There is no magical ticket or general advice to be given though. Those who "make it" to any degree are circumventing, sidestepping, or jumping over the ignominy that has been the norm of the human condition for all of time.

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confused1l93 (Feb 2, 2019 - 7:35 am)

I sell software and do freelance copywriting.

I don’t have any specific observations that I haven’t already mentioned.

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confused1l93 (Feb 2, 2019 - 7:35 am)

I sell software and do freelance copywriting.

I don’t have any specific observations that I haven’t already mentioned.

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therewillbeblood (Feb 2, 2019 - 1:07 pm)

The secret to generating revenue is making money? That is groundbreaking.

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confused1l93 (Feb 7, 2019 - 10:09 am)

@Theimmigrant- you are right in that there is no “general advice” in that you tell someone to do exactly x,y,z and money starts entering their life.

However, what I have noticed when looking at my own life and other people’s lives is that there is always a way to make a lot more money in their current situation... most people just don’t want to face the discomfort in taking the actions necessary to do so. This fear seems to run pretty deep.

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bangbus (Feb 7, 2019 - 10:47 am)

"I sell software and do freelance copywriting"

Lol!

Do you even make $500k a year worker bee?

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wearyattorney (Feb 9, 2019 - 10:57 pm)

If you make 500k on a W2, it’s not much on the coasts either...

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confused1l93 (Feb 8, 2019 - 5:58 pm)

A lot enterprise reps make 500k+. The standard year (assuming comp plan does not have multipliers) is around 250k or so. I don't make that much but I'm new to this career path and definitely aspire to get there. Top person in my office has been at around 800 or so for the past couple years.. but they have definitely put in the time.

However, I AM AN IDIOT, I make six figures, and my life is pretty sweet. Making that so soon, without special skills, while dumb... would be virtually impossible if I wasn't a revenue generating position. That's my point.

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