Remembering TCPaul, 2016-2019

Curious Middle Eastern private jets

The aviation rumor mill has it that there are a couple of pr phosita01/29/19
So they can party around the world without having to waste t therewillbeblood01/29/19
Heh they can send the jet outbound from KSA to Moldova, Ukra phosita01/29/19
Yeah, but who wants to have to party in secret in the ME. Be therewillbeblood01/29/19
Let's say you're a middle-eastern potentate who likes to ban phosita01/29/19
Nothing better to spend their money on? They already have ev irishlaw01/29/19
There are private A380s and 747-8s. I've also personally se phosita01/29/19
Lol I think VP-CAL is a Cayman Island registration irishlaw01/29/19
Move along, airport observers, nothing to see here... phosita01/29/19
First of all sheikhs always want to have the biggest and bes trijocker01/29/19
Yeah that's a use case for sure. Did you see any EMP harden phosita01/29/19
No, these jets were in for two reasons First, for commercia trijocker01/29/19
Interesting Poast. Gah. Can't imagine all the needless per phosita01/29/19
The buyers want to make their jets a flying Hearst castle, l trijocker01/29/19
The pilots must have some stories. phosita01/29/19
I don't know if you remember who Victor Bout was but I met o soiled_nappies01/29/19
I don't know whether I'd be comforted by or horrified by the phosita01/29/19
I’ve had lots of direct, personal contact with the Ukraini thecharmingmresq01/30/19
wew. Sign me the eff up for that! macunairplane! phosita01/30/19
I am amazed how these middle eastern countries just walk int persius01/29/19
There is an entire system regulating foreign military sales. trijocker01/29/19
These are pretty old aircraft, and almost sound like the Boe toooldtocare01/29/19
Speaking of 787-10, United is replacing some of their 757 fl irishlaw01/29/19
The B752 is a real sportscar, a real pilot's plane, but gah phosita01/29/19
9MMRO. MOVE TO DOME. upperdecker01/30/19



phosita (Jan 29, 2019 - 12:08 pm)

The aviation rumor mill has it that there are a couple of privately-owned B767 aircraft in the Middle East fitted with aux fuel tanks holding enough fuel to afford a 13,000 nautical mile range. Both are ex-airliners: one a B767-222, and one a B767-223.

This is enough range to go from anywhere to anywhere nonstop, assuming non-ridiculous ATC, weather, etc. Long range cruise M0.80 at a temperature of -52C means it's nearly 30 hours to do max range. Which is pretty berserk. Seriously, think Jeddah to Auckland.

Still, this gets me to thinking why, really, some sheik/govt might want to have a plane with that much range. Some benign reasons come to mind, but also some reasons that are not benign.

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therewillbeblood (Jan 29, 2019 - 1:11 pm)

So they can party around the world without having to waste time stopping for fuel.

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phosita (Jan 29, 2019 - 1:13 pm)

Heh they can send the jet outbound from KSA to Moldova, Ukraine, etc. to round up companionship to airdrop back home without having to gas up.

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therewillbeblood (Jan 29, 2019 - 1:21 pm)

Yeah, but who wants to have to party in secret in the ME. Better to go to Miami or LA or Macau and just hang out there.

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phosita (Jan 29, 2019 - 1:47 pm)

Let's say you're a middle-eastern potentate who likes to bang hoors and dump their lifeless bodies after use. You gonna do that in Miami or in the Empty Quarter?

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irishlaw (Jan 29, 2019 - 12:17 pm)

Nothing better to spend their money on? They already have everything else...Surprised they don’t have party A380s or 747-800s.

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phosita (Jan 29, 2019 - 12:23 pm)

There are private A380s and 747-8s. I've also personally seen a private B777, tail no. VP-CAL.

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irishlaw (Jan 29, 2019 - 12:52 pm)

Lol I think VP-CAL is a Cayman Island registration

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phosita (Jan 29, 2019 - 12:54 pm)

Move along, airport observers, nothing to see here...

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trijocker (Jan 29, 2019 - 1:02 pm)

First of all sheikhs always want to have the biggest and best
I once worked at an aircraft company and they and the south americans were the biggest spenders on mods and redos, both interior and external remodifications.
On a more ominous note, much like Air Force One, the jet buyers might be preparing for doomsday scenarios in which the jet would have to travel long distances before needing to refuel.

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phosita (Jan 29, 2019 - 1:09 pm)

Yeah that's a use case for sure. Did you see any EMP hardening?

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trijocker (Jan 29, 2019 - 1:59 pm)

No, these jets were in for two reasons
First, for commercial airliners to reconfigure the seats or change the paint job.
Your sheikh types and other rich eccentrics came in mostly to fancy up the interiors; gold plate everything, put in a sunken tub, special beds, new all leather seating, onyx bathrooms that type of treatment. Then they would fly back to their home country full of expensive gifts, sometimes a car.

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phosita (Jan 29, 2019 - 2:08 pm)

Interesting Poast. Gah. Can't imagine all the needless performance-sapping weight added by such baubles. Then again I would prefer to turn left upon boarding rather than turn right.

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trijocker (Jan 29, 2019 - 2:15 pm)

The buyers want to make their jets a flying Hearst castle, like the Trump jet.
And there is a competition to have the most bling, the most gold, the most everything.
These jets are not carrying a lot of passengers, they were flown in for the mod, blinged up, then flew back to the home country with maybe 3-4 people on board, who were dispatched to pick up the clothes, cars art and jewelry while waiting for the jet to be redone.

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phosita (Jan 29, 2019 - 2:22 pm)

The pilots must have some stories.

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soiled_nappies (Jan 29, 2019 - 3:19 pm)

I don't know if you remember who Victor Bout was but I met one of his pilots in Bulgaria about 16 years ago. (Victor Bout was a Russian arms dealer who basically sold whatever he could get to whoever. African rebel groups, Taliban, etc. They made a movie about him starring Nicholas Cage.)

So this pilot used to fly these old Russian transports to and from Sharm El Sheik airfield to various places in Africa, carrying guns, ammo, whatever. I only talked with him for about 3 hours and never saw him again but he had some amazing stories.

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phosita (Jan 29, 2019 - 3:36 pm)

I don't know whether I'd be comforted by or horrified by the fact that my ex-Soviet airplane can be held together by baling wire and twine. :-)

I've seen some vids about FSU dudes flying Cargo, seems totally wild. Must say I'd be down for doing that for a while.

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thecharmingmresq (Jan 30, 2019 - 2:44 am)

I’ve had lots of direct, personal contact with the Ukrainian Antonov heavy lift plane crew.
Wild, wild dudes. Permanent gypsies living in a cargo plane.
They literally stole the light bulbs and blinds out of the Best Western they were staying in and threw them in the back.
They’d google what was most expensive where they were going and then go to sams club/bj’s and buy pallets of it.
I have personally, with my own eyes, seen an Antonov bound for the Dutch Caribbean with a flight manifest of “hurricane relief suplies” and in the belly is an Apache complete w armament

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phosita (Jan 30, 2019 - 10:44 am)

wew.


Sign me the eff up for that! macunairplane!

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persius (Jan 29, 2019 - 2:25 pm)

I am amazed how these middle eastern countries just walk into a place like Boeing and buy Apache helicopters and other weapons that were developed under government contracts. They are somewhat allies and I guess they get sold the base model with older tech, but I have often wondered what the parameters are on something like that.

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trijocker (Jan 29, 2019 - 3:26 pm)

There is an entire system regulating foreign military sales.
When I did that type of work, you couldn't just get a license to buy say a missile.
Now avionics and planes and helicopters are different, and we sell some to our allies.
Both Bush's OK'd the sale of F16s to Pakistan for example.
But private jets are pretty much whoever has the money can buy one.
Also, there is a whole underworld reselling jets, different cos own different parts of the plane.
Then they can be resold to some different oligarch who wants it freshened up with differing colors.

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toooldtocare (Jan 29, 2019 - 3:04 pm)

These are pretty old aircraft, and almost sound like the Boeing Pegasus tanker finally being delivered.
Wouldn't a MidEast potentate want something newer, say a 787-10 or A350, which wouldn't need the extra tanks to make it see the Sultan of Brunei? Or maybe even a 777x?

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irishlaw (Jan 29, 2019 - 5:18 pm)

Speaking of 787-10, United is replacing some of their 757 fleet with 787-10s...starting Feb I can finally fly a 787-10 from NY to SF (I take this flight a few times a year) instead of those old 757s.

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phosita (Jan 29, 2019 - 5:52 pm)

The B752 is a real sportscar, a real pilot's plane, but gah ffffvck those blue juice lavs. Might have to switch from DL to UA once that's done.

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upperdecker (Jan 30, 2019 - 9:03 am)

9MMRO. MOVE TO DOME.

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