Remembering TCPaul, 2016-2019

More MAGA Kid Mass Media Mea Culpa

(try saying that five times really fast!) This one fr wutwutwut01/23/19
From Fox News: Phillips attempted to disrupt a Mass being he toooldtocare01/24/19
He was a "freon ranger" not a "recon ranger" (rating was ref wutwutwut01/24/19
I’m more interested in these Black Hebrew Israelites. Look brokelawyer01/24/19
We wuz Jews and sheet debtslave1501/24/19
Because they're a fringe group that nobody really cares abou therewillbeblood01/25/19
yes, we need to spend a lot of time scrutinizing those 3 guy johnsmith02/04/19
The kid was acting like an asshole and the world is treating trickydick01/24/19
Appears as if Phillips and the Black Israelites were too; mu toooldtocare01/24/19
It must be physically painful to be as stupid as you are. debtslave1501/24/19
Nothing like a witty riposte; you're a veritable Oscar Wilde toooldtocare01/24/19
I believe debtslave15 was responding to Dick. wutwutwut01/24/19
Toooldtocare isn’t wrong. trickydick01/24/19
... trickydick01/24/19
How was he was acting like an asshole? walkingparadox01/25/19
Trump coming out in support of the kids will only make thing jorgedeclaro01/24/19
Well, the MSM is having a very bad week, between this and Bu toooldtocare01/24/19
Buzzfeed was really bad. Buzzfeed: There is clear proof jorgedeclaro01/24/19
"I’ll admit, I believed the Buzzfeed story was the biggest imoothereforeim01/24/19
Yeah mainstream media is fake news and enemy of the people. imoothereforeim01/24/19
Keep believing everything posted on twitter. trickydick01/24/19
Keeping watching CNN and reading Buzzfeed. debtslave1501/24/19
Keep fantasizing that I watch CNN or read Buzzfeed. trickydick01/25/19
"The kid was acting like an asshole and the world is treatin wutwutwut01/24/19
"The kid was acting like an asshole and the world is treatin shuiz01/24/19
Kiss his f*cking feet you bigot. Duh. debtslave1501/24/19
I remember some of the early interviews with Nathan - his ma dupednontraditional01/24/19
Phillips forgave the students today. Said he didn’t like t jorgedeclaro01/24/19
That's a start; the kid can now make additional comments of toooldtocare01/24/19
Run like a coward anotherjd01/24/19
I still think the villains in this case are the chaperones w chicagojoe01/24/19
*Paid liberal agitators who have previously appeared in musi mtbislife01/25/19
https://twitter.com/LibertyHangout/ status/108864790485057536 gazoo01/25/19
Get out the checkbook. Nick found a shyster and plans to su gazoo02/04/19
I'm not opposed to this. They were kids and started getting schopenhauerx9902/04/19
This is a mistake. jorgedeclaro02/04/19
Dumb idea. Would third party in the school, diocese, parent chicagojoe02/04/19
This seems like a bad idea. What did Alyssa Milano do that s fettywap02/04/19
She tweeted “the man the boy was harrasing in the video is jorgedeclaro02/04/19
Most of the below is from her op-ed except as otherwise note wutwutwut02/04/19
Seems like political speech anotherjd02/04/19
Yeah. I don't see the rationale for the C/D letters, other wutwutwut02/04/19
The Virginia Lt. Gov. said he’s suing everyone who repeats jorgedeclaro02/04/19



wutwutwut (Jan 23, 2019 - 2:52 pm)

(try saying that five times really fast!)



This one from The Atlantic:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/julie-irwin-zimmerman-i-failed-covington-catholic-test/580897/

"“They were menacing a man much older than them,” I wrote, “and chanting ‘Build the wall!’ And this smirking kid blocked his path and wouldn’t let him leave.” ...

... more videos had surfaced, and I started looking for the clip that showed them chanting support for the wall. I couldn’t find it, but I did find a confrontation more complicated ... people yelling terrible insults at the students... Phillips approach the students [not the other way around]; I had believed him when he said he’d intended his drumming to defuse the tension, but I also wondered how a group of high-school students could have gleaned that...

... I also saw someone with Phillips yelling at a few of the kids that his people had been here first, that Europeans had stolen their land. While I wouldn’t disagree, the scene was at odds with the reports that Phillips and those with him were attempting to calm a tense situation.

... I began to see the smirking kid in a different light... wave of emotions rolled over his face as Phillips approached him: confusion, fear, resolve... settled on an expression designed to mimic respect while signaling to his friends that he had this under control. ... I wondered what different reaction I could have reasonably hoped a high-school junior to have in such an unfamiliar and bewildering situation. I came up empty.

... Let’s assume the worst, and agree that the boy was being disrespectful. That still would not justify the death threats he’s been receiving. ... Online vigilantes unearthed his parents’ address and peppered his family with threats all weekend long, even as they were trying to celebrate a family wedding, accusing them of raising a racist and promising to harm their family business."

... If the Covington Catholic incident was a test, it’s one I failed—along with most others. Will we learn from it, or will we continue to roam social media, looking for the next outrage fix? Next time a story like this surfaces... I’ll get my news from legitimate journalists instead of from an online mob for whom Saturday-morning indignation is just another form of entertainment."


While I admire the author's resolution to do better next time, the comment about getting the news from legitimate journos wouldn't have helped in this situation because all the legitimate news sources were also badly misreporting the events.

Gotta get that scoop our there FAST so's we can Get Them Almighty CLICKS.

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toooldtocare (Jan 24, 2019 - 12:11 pm)

From Fox News: Phillips attempted to disrupt a Mass being held at the National Cathedral on 1/19.
https://video.foxnews.com/v/5993379963001/#sp=show-clips
And a vague criminal record
https://www.foxnews.com/us/native-american-activist-nathan-phillips-was-once-charged-with-assault-escape-from-prison
And numerous conservative websites claim he went AWOL three times while in the Marines, was discharged eventually as an E-1(also his entry rank), never served in Viet Nam, and was a mechanic of some sort, not a "recon ranger".
But he did give an interview to Today, one day after the student. like the student's Today interview, lots of softballs:
https://www.today.com/news/nathan-phillips-talks-today-show-s-savannah-guthrie-about-viral-t147369

So I've got no idea what the hell actually happened.
Believe nothing you hear, and only one half that you see. Edgar Allan Poe

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wutwutwut (Jan 24, 2019 - 2:49 pm)

He was a "freon ranger" not a "recon ranger" (rating was refer repairman). Haha.

But you should not read too much into those 3 UAs, though. I saw the DD214 and IIRC the UAs are along the lines of overstaying leave by a few days or showing up a few days late to his next duty station. Not what people think when they hear so-and-so "went AWOL".

Heck, I even had an XO threaten me with UA when I called to tell him the airport was snowed in and I would probably have to come in a day late after my Christmas leave. I don't know if he would have gone through with it, but there were about 10 of us in my unit similarly situated so he didn't bring it up again. Just saying, it's not all that hard to get a UA on your record.

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brokelawyer (Jan 24, 2019 - 12:51 pm)

I’m more interested in these Black Hebrew Israelites. Looks like a straight-up hate group, but they somehow avoided scrutiny altogether.

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debtslave15 (Jan 24, 2019 - 1:09 pm)

We wuz Jews and sheet

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therewillbeblood (Jan 25, 2019 - 4:49 pm)

Because they're a fringe group that nobody really cares about. I've been harassed by them in NYC, they talk big but don't do anything.,

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johnsmith (Feb 4, 2019 - 1:35 pm)

yes, we need to spend a lot of time scrutinizing those 3 guys.

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trickydick (Jan 24, 2019 - 1:19 pm)

The kid was acting like an asshole and the world is treating him accordingly.

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toooldtocare (Jan 24, 2019 - 1:44 pm)

Appears as if Phillips and the Black Israelites were too; must have been contagious that day.

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debtslave15 (Jan 24, 2019 - 1:46 pm)

It must be physically painful to be as stupid as you are.

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toooldtocare (Jan 24, 2019 - 2:08 pm)

Nothing like a witty riposte; you're a veritable Oscar Wilde...or Oscar Meyer; not sure. But clearly you are unable to consider anything contrary to whatever specific beliefs you hold on any given issue. Clearly, a great mind.

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wutwutwut (Jan 24, 2019 - 2:50 pm)

I believe debtslave15 was responding to Dick.

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trickydick (Jan 24, 2019 - 3:32 pm)

Toooldtocare isn’t wrong.

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trickydick (Jan 24, 2019 - 3:31 pm)

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walkingparadox (Jan 25, 2019 - 10:11 am)

How was he was acting like an asshole?

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jorgedeclaro (Jan 24, 2019 - 1:59 pm)

Trump coming out in support of the kids will only make things worse. I was kind of surprised the media walked stuff back as much as they did.

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toooldtocare (Jan 24, 2019 - 2:12 pm)

Well, the MSM is having a very bad week, between this and Buzzfeed. It's almost as if they're trying to write story lines for the folks at Fox News.

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jorgedeclaro (Jan 24, 2019 - 2:23 pm)

Buzzfeed was really bad.

Buzzfeed: There is clear proof the President obstructed justice which would be clear grounds for impeachment based on Clinton and Nixon.

Mueller: That story is not accurate.

Media: Lets parse Mueller’s statement and claim it could be largely true.

Washington Post: No, we further talked with Mueller’s team who intended for the statement to be a complete denial of the story.

Media: We’re going to downplay that WaPo, thank you.


I’ll admit, I believed the Buzzfeed story was the biggest news of the year.

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imoothereforeim (Jan 24, 2019 - 2:47 pm)

"I’ll admit, I believed the Buzzfeed story was the biggest news of the year."


Jeebus. You are slow learner.

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imoothereforeim (Jan 24, 2019 - 2:10 pm)

Yeah mainstream media is fake news and enemy of the people.

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trickydick (Jan 24, 2019 - 3:34 pm)

Keep believing everything posted on twitter.

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debtslave15 (Jan 24, 2019 - 4:14 pm)

Keeping watching CNN and reading Buzzfeed.

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trickydick (Jan 25, 2019 - 12:40 am)

Keep fantasizing that I watch CNN or read Buzzfeed.

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wutwutwut (Jan 24, 2019 - 2:59 pm)

"The kid was acting like an asshole and the world is treating him accordingly."


I don't get this mentality. It's akin to egging on child abuse.


Think about the things we as a society have decided are appropriate for juvenile criminal offenders.

We don't publish their names, or publicly shame them, or their families. We don't set up twitter vigilante squads to send them death threats, threaten their parents' businesses, etc.

Once they have been convicted beyond a reasonable doubt, and they've served their penalty for their youthful crime, we treat their criminal record as confidential once they become adults so they can at least attempt to start their adult lives with a clean slate.


But people like Dick here are fine with this kid whose actions are wildly in dispute - but by no account criminal acts - being tarred on social media for his entire life because Dick *thinks* he was "acting like an asshole".


And there seem to be a lot of Dicks out there in the wild.


My G_d, wouldn't it be nice if just a teensy weensy bit of perspective was used in these situations?


SMH.

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shuiz (Jan 24, 2019 - 3:58 pm)

"The kid was acting like an asshole and the world is treating him accordingly."

I don't understand this either. Maybe it's just a completely different worldview. After watching the longer video, I don't understand what the kid was supposed to do when the old native guy walks up out of nowhere and starts beating a drum in his face.

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debtslave15 (Jan 24, 2019 - 4:10 pm)

Kiss his f*cking feet you bigot. Duh.

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dupednontraditional (Jan 24, 2019 - 6:05 pm)

I remember some of the early interviews with Nathan - his martyrdom was running high, yet he kept varying his story as subsequent interviews took place. I was thinking “ok, something happened, but something is not quite right here at the same time...”

And then the additional footage came out. So it goes.

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jorgedeclaro (Jan 24, 2019 - 6:10 pm)

Phillips forgave the students today. Said he didn’t like the statement put out by the kid because it didn’t take responsibility. But he still forgave them.

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toooldtocare (Jan 24, 2019 - 6:14 pm)

That's a start; the kid can now make additional comments of the same type. It's important to note that despite the many problems that this reflects, there was no physical violence. In light of what's happened in other places, maybe Phillips and the kid can work together to make something of this mess.

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anotherjd (Jan 24, 2019 - 6:35 pm)

Run like a coward

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chicagojoe (Jan 24, 2019 - 9:18 pm)

I still think the villains in this case are the chaperones who let their little conservative all-stars get dragged into a confrontation with adult semi-pro trolls because they took a school field trip for a political cause that really doesn't have anything to do with them.

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mtbislife (Jan 25, 2019 - 4:22 pm)

*Paid liberal agitators who have previously appeared in music videos.

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gazoo (Jan 25, 2019 - 5:20 am)

https://twitter.com/LibertyHangout/status/1088647904850575361?s=09

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gazoo (Feb 4, 2019 - 8:36 am)

Get out the checkbook.
Nick found a shyster and plans to sue!
Haha.


https://www.breitbart.com/crime/2019/02/03/lawyers-catholic-student-nick-sandmann-prepare-sue-media-celebrities-libel/amp/

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schopenhauerx99 (Feb 4, 2019 - 11:48 am)

I'm not opposed to this. They were kids and started getting death threats. I would also go after kathy griffin.

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jorgedeclaro (Feb 4, 2019 - 1:03 pm)

This is a mistake.

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chicagojoe (Feb 4, 2019 - 2:30 pm)

Dumb idea. Would third party in the school, diocese, parents, and chaperones to the extent allowed by law. Insurer would not be happy.

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fettywap (Feb 4, 2019 - 1:22 pm)

This seems like a bad idea. What did Alyssa Milano do that she could be sued for?

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jorgedeclaro (Feb 4, 2019 - 3:00 pm)

She tweeted “the man the boy was harrasing in the video is Nathan and he’s a veteran.” The strongest argument you could make is that someone “harassing” somebody is statement of fact and not an opinion, and that the disclosed fact, being the short clip, does not show harassment. The argument would be lousy. And this is the closest of her tweets. All the rest are clear opinion.

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wutwutwut (Feb 4, 2019 - 6:09 pm)

Most of the below is from her op-ed except as otherwise noted. Almost sounds like she didn't write it or wrote it with a lawyer at her side, or is just a sharp/careful person.


"I saw boys flaunting their entitlement and displaying toxic masculinity,”
- [seems kind of hard to pin down what either of these mean, although couched almost as fact; but obviously "I saw" could easily mean "this is how I interpreted it"]


“It seemed to me like they were reflecting the white nationalism and racism that the hats on their heads have come to represent.”
- [couched in opinion = "seemed to me"]


"The MAGA hat is the new white hood. Without white boys being able to empathize with other people, humanity will continue to destroy itself."
- [her initial tweet, not clearly linked to the Covington school kids, although I suppose everyone knew who she meant. Anyway, obv opinion]


"Let me be clear: I’m not saying everyone who voted for Trump is a racist. I am saying that everyone who proudly wears the red hat identifies with an ideology of white supremacy and misogyny."
- [not sure what to do with this one. I suppose given its scope, it would have to be viewed as "I am saying that [in my opinion,] everyone who proudly wears the red hat..."]


In short, unless there's something else, these lawyers are wasting the family's time and money at least as it comes to Milano. I didn't take the time to look at the other people they're papering.

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anotherjd (Feb 4, 2019 - 6:42 pm)

Seems like political speech

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wutwutwut (Feb 4, 2019 - 9:53 pm)

Yeah. I don't see the rationale for the C/D letters, other than harassment. She'll safely shrug these off.

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jorgedeclaro (Feb 4, 2019 - 11:21 pm)

The Virginia Lt. Gov. said he’s suing everyone who repeats the sexual assault claims, including WaPo for contradicting his claim that WaPo had debunked the claims based on red flags and inconsistencies. Alleging defamation is one of the things people do because they hope it will scare people that it probably won’t.

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