Today's example of a lawyer not knowing when to let go.

http://blog.bennettandbennett.com/2 013/10/not-acceptable-carkeithlee10/20/13
The full Avvo thread is more amusing: http://www.avvo.cowily10/20/13
After reading about AVVO I decided to make sure I wasn't lisbeachbumpd10/20/13
I have encountered a few online sources that name me but I nadamb10/21/13
I would never "accept" AVVO. But the problem is that thepatentesq10/21/13
WOW. I'm reading this for the lulz. One of the other loserwily10/20/13
The first rule of Avvo is to never claim your profile on Avvjstalin10/20/13
AVVO sounds like one of those "mug shot" blackmail sites.beachbumpd10/20/13
To be completely candid, it looks bad for all the attorneys lolwutjobs10/20/13
Jordan Rushie got in on the action. He posts here.myth10/21/13
No surprise there. I think they were all named defendants itttnoregrets10/21/13
Did I ever mention that I talked with the Judge involved in electriclights10/21/13
It's a teachable moment. Be the student or be the lesson. keithlee10/21/13
It's a wonderful flame-out on Caryn Fennell's part, which clphillydoucherocket10/21/13
If you google her name, this flame out isn't even on the firjackiechiles10/21/13
It seems to me that the guy who corrected her also did so inonehell10/21/13
He comes across as a bully.patentesq10/21/13
I think everyone involve comes off poorly.tttnoregrets10/21/13
Actually, having skimmed the Avvo thread, I agree. I can't ipatentesq10/21/13
Completely agree - the entire exchange made me cringe on so tttnoregrets10/21/13
Mark Bennett has used patentesq's comment, which he completeglenn10/23/13
Avvo is garbage. The whole site should be shut down.raskolnikov10/21/13
A poster named "Mark's Dad" said it best when he linked to Bbeachbumpd10/21/13
Just skimmed through the AVVO thread and found it to be patglenn10/21/13
Everyone involved is a bunch of tools. The right thing to doguyingorillasuit10/23/13
I agree. And she would more than likely not reacted as she dpatentesq10/23/13
At my first legal job after law school while showing me the gribble02/15/14
Looks like Mark Bennett's blog thread and the original AVVO beachbumpd10/23/13
Regardless of how much of a "bully" he was, the initial commgator10/24/13
Odds that Bennett reads and posts on jdu: 99.99%silk02/15/14
keithlee (Oct 20, 2013 - 9:05 pm)

http://blog.bennettandbennett.com/2013/10/not-acceptable-caryn-fennell.html

TL;DR - Lawyer gives wrong answer to a question on Avvo. Another lawyer points out she's wrong. Hilarity ensues.

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wily (Oct 20, 2013 - 9:23 pm)

The full Avvo thread is more amusing:

http://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/if-already-hired-a-criminal-defense-lawyer--will-a-873662.html?post_answer_id=1507853&post_id=728523

The fight is like 30 posts long. She just posted 4 minutes ago. It's a pretty hilarious battle.

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beachbumpd (Oct 20, 2013 - 9:26 pm)

After reading about AVVO I decided to make sure I wasn't listed.

I am listed!! I'm sure I never signed up for this trash site. The info they have appears to be word for word out of my state bar listing and nothing more. I see the button "claim your profile" on the listing. I sure as hell didn't check it.

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adamb (Oct 21, 2013 - 9:23 am)

I have encountered a few online sources that name me but I never signed up for them. It seems unethical...although I have not bothered to research this.

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patentesq (Oct 21, 2013 - 12:32 pm)

I would never "accept" AVVO.

But the problem is that they have information about me on their site that is incomplete.

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wily (Oct 20, 2013 - 9:30 pm)

WOW. I'm reading this for the lulz. One of the other loser attorneys arguing with her found her office is under a feed store:

no caryn, I was just astounded that in your office, under the little feed and seed store, where there are other law firms, you could fit so many employees https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layer=c&z=17&iwloc=A&sll=34.237655,-84.491634&cbp=13,11.9,0,0,0&cbll=34.237404,-84.491698&q=160+north+street+georgia&ei=SxxkUrDVDZHA9gTvzIEY&ved=0CCsQxB0wAA

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jstalin (Oct 20, 2013 - 10:14 pm)

The first rule of Avvo is to never claim your profile on Avvo.

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beachbumpd (Oct 20, 2013 - 11:38 pm)

AVVO sounds like one of those "mug shot" blackmail sites.

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lolwutjobs (Oct 20, 2013 - 10:14 pm)

To be completely candid, it looks bad for all the attorneys involved. Carrying on like children in such a public forum.

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myth (Oct 21, 2013 - 12:45 am)

Jordan Rushie got in on the action. He posts here.

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tttnoregrets (Oct 21, 2013 - 2:43 am)

No surprise there. I think they were all named defendants in the Rakofsky v. The internet saga. They all also have very successfully used social media and blogs. When something like this happens it is a goldmine for successful bloggers.

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electriclights (Oct 21, 2013 - 9:41 am)

Did I ever mention that I talked with the Judge involved in the Rakovsky drama? Judge Jackson is a really nice, funny guy.

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keithlee (Oct 21, 2013 - 10:28 am)

It's a teachable moment. Be the student or be the lesson.

The only people likely to be aware or even care about this type of inside baseball talk are other lawyers.

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phillydoucherocket (Oct 21, 2013 - 11:01 am)

It's a wonderful flame-out on Caryn Fennell's part, which clients can Google. That's the real lesson that she's missing.

Just remember, kids! Fighting on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics...

http://media.animevice.com/uploads/1/12807/632071-arguingontheinternet_special_20olympics.jpg

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jackiechiles (Oct 21, 2013 - 12:22 pm)

If you google her name, this flame out isn't even on the first page.

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onehell (Oct 21, 2013 - 11:13 am)

It seems to me that the guy who corrected her also did so in an unprofessional way, calling what she said "nonsense" and "ignorant twaddle." He was obviously right to correct her, but she was also right to call him a jerk for the manner in which he did so. The flame-out that ensued is an illustration of why posting under your real name requires the same amount of care as writing a letter, an amount of care that all too often is not exercised.

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patentesq (Oct 21, 2013 - 12:29 pm)

He comes across as a bully.

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tttnoregrets (Oct 21, 2013 - 12:37 pm)

I think everyone involve comes off poorly.

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patentesq (Oct 21, 2013 - 12:45 pm)

Actually, having skimmed the Avvo thread, I agree. I can't imagine a group of medical doctors acting this way... law is a sickening profession in so many ways.

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tttnoregrets (Oct 21, 2013 - 1:07 pm)

Completely agree - the entire exchange made me cringe on so many levels.

-attorneys answering questions out of jurisdiction
-attorneys answering questions out of jurisdiction, and they end up being wrong
-attorneys need to publicly shame other attorneys
-attorneys knee jerk reaction to their expertise being challenged
-attorneys chiming in on a matters they are not involved in because they can't help themselves

I say all this and I am a fan of Mark and Jordan's blog. Brian's column, it is nothing special.

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glenn (Oct 23, 2013 - 6:33 pm)

Mark Bennett has used patentesq's comment, which he completey misconstrues, as the starting point for a blog post on why lawyers are better than doctors. He also makes some juvinile comments about the people who post on this board. He seems irked that he wasn't praised for his flame war on AVVO and on his blog If there were any "teaching moments" to be taken away from this episode, the posts on this thread covered them. In a comment to his own post on doctors/lawyers he discusses how he would have handled the issue of a client seeking a second opinion. His approach is very weak.

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raskolnikov (Oct 21, 2013 - 1:40 pm)

Avvo is garbage. The whole site should be shut down.

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beachbumpd (Oct 21, 2013 - 2:18 pm)

A poster named "Mark's Dad" said it best when he linked to Bennett's "10 Practical Rules for Dealing with the Borderline Personality."
He pointed out that Bennett was ignoring his own rules:

1.If you donít have to deal with a crazy per≠son, donít.

2.You canít out≠smart crazy. [Thanks to Lisa J] You also canít fix crazy. (You could out≠crazy it, but that makes you crazy too.)

3.When you get in a con≠test of wills with a crazy per≠son, youíve already lost.

4.The crazy per≠son doesnít have as much to lose as you.

5.Your desired out≠come is to get away from the crazy person.

6.You have no idea what the crazy personís desired out≠come is.

7.The crazy per≠son sees any≠thing you have done as jus≠ti≠fi≠ca≠tion for what sheís about to do.

8.Any≠thing nice you do for the crazy per≠son, she will use as ammu≠ni≠tion later.

9.The crazy per≠son sees any out≠come as vindication.

10.When you start car≠ing what the crazy per≠son thinks, youíre join≠ing her in her craziness.

Bennett replied to one critical poster this way:

"Iím not sure how I feel about being
called an embar≠rass≠ment by some≠one who
com≠ments reg≠u≠larly on JD Under≠ground,
but I think the best word is 'amused.'"

[Edit] And the mess just keeps spreading:
http://blog.simplejustice.us/2013/10/21/negative-reinforcing-cycles/

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glenn (Oct 21, 2013 - 7:37 pm)

Just skimmed through the AVVO thread and found it to be pathetic. If these fools wanted to debate an issue, instead of yapping about websites, admission dates, office space and slighting all the disabled people who ever lived, it would have been interesting to hear what they would have done if they were consulted by the person who posed the question about seeking a second opinion.

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guyingorillasuit (Oct 23, 2013 - 7:56 pm)

Everyone involved is a bunch of tools. The right thing to do was to say "Karen, I think you are wrong here", not to start going off at the mouth.

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patentesq (Oct 23, 2013 - 8:20 pm)

I agree. And she would more than likely not reacted as she did.

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gribble (Feb 15, 2014 - 3:44 pm)

At my first legal job after law school while showing me the ropes at court a partner told me I should read "How to Win Friends and Influence People" by Dale Carnegie. I didn't pay too much attention, after all at the time I was pretty busy just figuring out how to be an attorney.

Then I had a client tell me the same thing while I was prepping him for trial (I moved up pretty fast).

So I wound up reading the book. I thought it was inapplicable to the current day and most of it was common sense. I figured sure if you're in a position of power these are nice things to do, but really it won't matter what you do one way or the other.

I went about my life as I normally do. I can't say the book really helped me career wise or anything, but when I see people acting like children, I do think that book would help them greatly and just make life more bearable if people could act the way they should.

I'm sure others on here have read it, but one of the early lessons on there is to not correct people needlessly. That people will (obviously) be on the defensive if you attack them like that, and nobody wants to lose face.

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beachbumpd (Oct 23, 2013 - 9:14 pm)

Looks like Mark Bennett's blog thread and the original AVVO thread have been shut down. Bennett posted a couple of days ago that he was shutting down the blog thread. Good call but about 75 posts too late.

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gator (Oct 24, 2013 - 7:26 am)

Regardless of how much of a "bully" he was, the initial comment by her was so incorrect it needed to be called out. It was incompetent and even in the wrong jurisdiction.

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silk (Feb 15, 2014 - 2:44 pm)

Odds that Bennett reads and posts on jdu: 99.99%

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