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Indiana Tech Pres. Arthur Snyder: Global interests favor creation of Indiana Tech law school.

Some scambloggers have criticized the idea of opening a new dybbuk12/30/12
Ft. Wayne Indiana needs a law school like ________________. johnnycakes12/30/12
That feasibility study has been ripped to shreds for the sta chicagojoe12/30/12
From the study: However, absent dramatic change in the wa therewillbeblood12/30/12
I wish I understood the fixation with International Law. How abazungu12/30/12
For every HYS student that works at the Hague, prosecuting w lolskewl12/31/12
"Well, the global interests related to . . intellectual pro heythere12/31/12
Are you being sarcastic? Numerous law schools are attache chicagojoe12/31/12
I meant that I haven't seen any concrete idea like that comi heythere12/31/12
Eh, they really can't. Indiana Tech will place in small firm lolskewl12/31/12
The hollowing out of the manufacturing sector is pretty bad, heythere12/31/12
Cadburys announces that study finds that chocolate makes you bostonlawyer.212/31/12
http://www.usnews.com/education/blo gs/law-admissions-lowdown lolskewl12/31/12
The only human rights issues that pay off are for fair trade heythere12/31/12
three more faculty members http://www.insideindianabusine taxman12812/31/12
Hahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!! Hahahahah!!! johnnycakes12/31/12
I hope these scumbags get what's coming to them some day. I frankythefly12/31/12
Drop the "na" from Indiana and relocate to Bombay or Bangalo secondcareerlawyer01/01/13
dybbuk (Dec 30, 2012 - 2:38 pm)

Some scambloggers have criticized the idea of opening a new lower-fourth tier law school, namely Indiana Tech School of Law, at a time when barely half of all recent law grads, indebted as never before, obtain law jobs of any sort. What these critics miss is that there are important indicators that global interests favor the creation of Indiana Tech School of Law. What sort of global interests, you ask? Well, the global interests related to international law and intellectual property law. Yes, those global interests, you dummies! But don’t take my word for it, listen to the President of Indiana Tech University, Dr. Arthur Snyder speaking on May 11, 2011. Also, for those concerned about the tuition burden, we have Dr. Synder’s personal assurance that the $28,500 annual tuition “won’t go up like the cost of gas.”

http://www.indianatech.edu/alumni/stories/Pages/052011-law.aspx

Q...[A]necdotally, we’ve heard stories during the recession and afterwards that a lot of students are going to law school and then graduating and struggling to find jobs, so. . . are you confident that there will be a need, in other words, for the school?

A. Our feasible study suggest that that’s the case. We’ve been through a number of different ups and downs with law schools and the number of jobs available, just like any other industry or any other type of graduate schools, and we think that there are important indicators related to the global interests of international law and intellectual property law and the opportunity to serve students here in Northeast Indiana that might go elsewhere. Now in terms of jobs and job change, one of the indicators that we put some significant stock in is a trend that shows when the gross domestic product increases, the number of lawyers needed increases as well. One of the other indicators that I think is worth mentioning is the number of law retirements, the number of lawyers that will be retiring over the period of the next 10, 15, 20, and 30 years. So we’ve looked at it pretty carefully.

[video at 3:37- 5:02]

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Q. You know yet what tuition will be?

[laughter]

A. We have used some numbers in our pro forma and we are looking at $28,500 as the first year tuition.

Q. Does that suggest that it goes up, you only mentioned your first year?

A. It doesn’t suggest anything, just that’s the first year tuition, It won’t go up like the cost of gas.

[laughter]

[video at 8:44-9:22]

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johnnycakes (Dec 30, 2012 - 5:24 pm)

Ft. Wayne Indiana needs a law school like ________________.

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chicagojoe (Dec 30, 2012 - 7:23 pm)

That feasibility study has been ripped to shreds for the statistically unsound piece of garbage that it is.

E.g.:

https://lawschooltuitionbubble.wordpress.com/2011/07/05/indiana-tech-utterly-irresponsibly-predicts-a-future-attorney-shortage/

Their "study" is basically a transparent ruse to get them to open their profit mill. It's arguably fraud on the public/ABA. No one who can seems to have any interest in seriously stopping them.

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therewillbeblood (Dec 30, 2012 - 8:08 pm)

From the study:

However, absent dramatic change in the way law is currently practiced and given the dynamics of the national demand for legal education, the United States may need to import foreign lawyers or increase the outsourcing of legal work to foreign lawyers in their home countries to meet this country’s projected demand for legal services.

I was going to make a joke about this but it's already a joke.

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abazungu (Dec 30, 2012 - 9:47 pm)

I wish I understood the fixation with International Law. How does a university president state, with a straight face, that the graduates of a new, likely to be 4th tier law school are going to graduate and move on to meet the apparently unsated need for more international lawyers?

It would be better if he said something realistic like, "We surveyed local law firms, insurance companies and government agencies that hire lawyers and found out they have a hard time attracting and retaining attorneys. Having a law school in Ft. Wayne would help to meet the needs of local employers."

Of course he can't say that because it isn't true, so I guess the next best thing is to talk about pleasant sounding fairy tales like International Law and the global marketplace and hope that enough students believe in fairy tales to fill classes for a few years.

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lolskewl (Dec 31, 2012 - 11:00 am)

For every HYS student that works at the Hague, prosecuting war crimes, or for Human Rights Watch there are 10 law professors writing about what they do. When you're an academic in an echo chamber it's easy to listen to the voices of the other lawprofs telling you any day now the big international law boom is going to happen.

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heythere (Dec 31, 2012 - 9:19 am)

"Well, the global interests related to . . intellectual property law."

There is nothing wrong with that assessment. If Indiana Tech Law School were serious about that, they would exploit every advantage of being attached to a university with technical programs. I haven't seen anything like that.

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chicagojoe (Dec 31, 2012 - 9:49 am)

Are you being sarcastic?

Numerous law schools are attached to universities with technical programs that curb-stomp Indiana Tech's. At the top of the curve, there's Cal, Stanford, Duke, NYU, Michigan, etc. Down to Tier 2, Vanderbilt, UIUC, Emory, Boston U., GWU, etc.

And of course, a state away, in a much better market for these things, is mid-level law school attached to a technical college that offers an LLM in international intellectual property law.

http://www.kentlaw.iit.edu/academics/llm-programs/international-intellectual-property-law

What on Earth in Indiana Tech going to do differently than Illinois Tech? How are they going to make Fort Wayne a better destination than Chicago? Did they even look at the market before deciding these things?

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heythere (Dec 31, 2012 - 10:32 am)

I meant that I haven't seen any concrete idea like that coming from Indiana Tech. It's just the usual platitudes.

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lolskewl (Dec 31, 2012 - 10:57 am)

Eh, they really can't. Indiana Tech will place in small firms and local government in the Ft. Wayne area and surrounding counties, or maybe for students that have family connections wherever those students call home. IP litigation is generally coastal big city, biglaw/boutique work, and Tech's students just won't have the "prestige" to get those jobs. If there were a lot of solos or small firms doing IP work, they might be able to hone their advantage.

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heythere (Dec 31, 2012 - 4:59 pm)

The hollowing out of the manufacturing sector is pretty bad, but Indiana Tech could still land people in IP by giving them practical experience.

Of course, if they had been serious about IP, they could have put together a single semester certificate program to train patent agents instead of a law school.

Or for that matter, international law could have been served just as well by training customs brokers with a certificate program.

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bostonlawyer.2 (Dec 31, 2012 - 10:55 am)

Cadburys announces that study finds that chocolate makes you thinner.

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lolskewl (Dec 31, 2012 - 11:07 am)

http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/law-admissions-lowdown/2012/12/31/3-law-school-trends-to-watch-for-in-2013

The three trends are:

1) Lower applications - so ACT NOW BECAUSE THIS OFFER WON'T LAST
2) More biglaw hiring - absolutely no evidence for this.

And the most relevant

3) INTERNATIONAL LAW BOOM - Globalization. Interconnectivity. Human rights. Demand. Global marketplace. Buzzword. Buzzword. Buzzword. Why worry about your student loans when you'll be sipping champagne on the Champs-Elysees after negotiating a new international human rights treaty to save an indigenous people from certain genocide?

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heythere (Dec 31, 2012 - 5:05 pm)

The only human rights issues that pay off are for fair trade/fair employment of workers of contractors/suppliers. For that corporations turn to independent auditing agencies, who hire locals because of the language skills.

The rest is import/export law. Customs brokers are on the front line. The educational requirement is basically a high school diploma/GED and the ability to memorize and apply a section of the CFR.

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taxman128 (Dec 31, 2012 - 5:39 pm)

three more faculty members

http://www.insideindianabusiness.com/newsitem.asp?ID=57035

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johnnycakes (Dec 31, 2012 - 6:00 pm)

Hahahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!! Hahahahah!!!

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frankythefly (Dec 31, 2012 - 7:23 pm)

I hope these scumbags get what's coming to them some day. It's infuriating that we live in a society with so much injustice. I'm sure that these rats will never suffer at all and that they'll grow rich on tuition dollars.

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secondcareerlawyer (Jan 1, 2013 - 3:46 pm)

Drop the "na" from Indiana and relocate to Bombay or Bangalore to keep truth in advertising.

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