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Average Salary on JDU

I am curious as to the average salary of the people who post swimmer8610/21/12
50k lolasaurusrex10/21/12
About 100k total comp, gf who has also posted is 160k standa siezetheday10/21/12
Considering all of the unemployeds and unemployables, the av tttjd10/21/12
I make $50K + benefits in a semi-legal I can't stand. A lot trenchtown10/21/12
What do you do trench? siezetheday10/21/12
lobbyist trenchtown10/21/12
I always thought that would be a cool job. Kind of like a s siezetheday10/22/12
60k non-legal boring yet quite stressful job in a very high futuresandwichartist10/22/12
45k actual attorney job, mind-numbingly boring in a high COL mrhart10/22/12
60k in a sales job, low COL area. fabio110/22/12
32k + health insurance. Low COL area. vanity10/22/12
Low. ttttjd10/22/12
$20/ hour unemployedtroll10/23/12
150K 7% 401k match, Union Pension, only work half a year naksala10/23/12
52K, consultant 6K, moonlighting Low COL area tttnoregrets10/23/12
$100K + ~$8-12K/year moonlighting as a part time real estate associatex10/23/12
56k as a practicing attorney at a non profit. Good benefits frida210/23/12
$49k and change + benefits as a judicial law clerk. Appointm verybored11/10/12
$42k, associate attorney in a 2 man firm. 2 1/2 years out of shtlawaspiration11/10/12
Where are you...western Nebraska? fabio111/11/12
No, but similar COL. Rural Appalachia. I think that a family shtlawaspiration11/11/12
$52k, associate attorney in a small firm, which does provide unemployedvol11/10/12
Solo. Grossed $30k in the last 12 months, my first year as a guyingorillasuit11/10/12
Quit. Now. smalllawguy11/11/12
You have only grossed 30k as a Family Law Attorney in 12 mon cocolawyer03/07/17
Cocolawyer, that post by GIGS was from 2012. I believe he's greenhorn03/08/17
HAHA I only realized that now. The devil is in the details. cocolawyer03/09/17
e-Discovery Of-Counsel for a V50 firm. With bonus I made superttthero11/10/12
Does it say that on the firm website? I've never seen that t garga11/11/12
Doc review for the last few years 75-80k. Add some adjunctin phillydoucherocket11/10/12
85k, three years out of law school in nj. Only do family la psusurf11/10/12
Solo for 3 years now after 2 years of document review. 50k anglemerchant11/10/12
About 148K, plus matching 401(k), retirement etc. Have to p calatty11/10/12
as a full-time lawyer i made between 65k-110k a year. made severian211/11/12
solo, net last year 20K *sobbing* kansas11/11/12
Partner at small firm I co founded a few years ago, this yea garga11/11/12
Nice. I don't think you have anything to be envious about. W t14debt11/11/12
What field? superttthero11/11/12
edit: double post. superttthero11/11/12
edit: triple post. superttthero11/11/12
"You didn't build that."- President Obama. :) bizzybone131311/11/12
Urge to scream.. rising. smalllawguy11/11/12
75K denpaonna11/11/12
Garga, can you tell us more about how you did it? What field guyingorillasuit11/11/12
Taking business disputes on contingency or semi contingency garga11/11/12
$8.50/hr. Only getting 8 hrs this week. cowgod11/11/12
$76k base salary + a collection bonus (20% of all my billing tearsandcrumbs11/11/12
I had no idea cities that small paid 2nd years that much. Ar garga11/11/12
How much of the overhead is allocated to you? How many hour dahlia11/12/12
$2,500 this year as an independent consultant for a former e tobeornottobe11/11/12
Correction. Turned down a job interview in 1996. The job had tobeornottobe11/11/12
You should try to get into politics tobeornottobe. Have you bizzybone131311/11/12
just a month shy of my first year practicing post admit to t flawed11/12/12
81K + Full Benefits Attorneys are given annual raises ac 3tgrad11/12/12
225K, non legal, no benefits. doublefriedchicken11/12/12
Consultant? elitttist11/12/12
Yes doublefriedchicken11/12/12
About 40K as partner in small firm I started in 2009, doing hankstamper11/12/12
If that is your taxable income, hankstamper, then that isnt mississippilawyer11/12/12
That is my taxable income, Mississippi. It isn't so bad, I a hankstamper11/12/12
$450k in 2011. This year is going to be lower. Maybe $375 123fakestreet11/12/12
if that your taxable income, fakestreet? If that is, you are mississippilawyer11/12/12
Yeah. Business gross was ~$650, then subtract expenses, ref 123fakestreet11/12/12
I looked into getting us a 401k, but the fees are way too hi garga11/12/12
What fees? Just open a 401k account with one of the online 123fakestreet11/14/12
... mississippilawyer11/12/12
Class of 2009. 80K + $40/month for phone + all commuting ex lefty11/12/12
60k remote doc review and Spanish doc review. Unemployment bigsal11/12/12
80k + 20% bonus - 2 yrs out - compliance for broker-dealer brent8411/12/12
nice. siezetheday11/13/12
55k at 10 attorney firm, first year, upstate. bigeastboy11/12/12
65K, small firm, class of 2008. lawsmith11/13/12
wow, your salaries mostly sound pretty good ($50k or more). cheapbrass11/14/12
I think people complain because of the debt issues stemming shtlawaspiration11/14/12
65k and benefits, very low COL, school loans ~37k, rural we a8464811/14/12
Between 65k-70k, health insurance and 401k, medium cost of l karlfarbman11/14/12
75K , 2.5 yr medium cost of living subprimejd11/14/12
subby, does that include your bonuses and wages making mouss severian211/14/12
Salary and bonus subprimejd11/14/12
70k + full reimbursement at federal rate for miles + expense livingthedream11/14/12
bumping because this is an oldie but goodie! associatex03/07/17
@associatex - salary improved from that of 2012? justdoingok03/07/17
Yep. associatex03/07/17
53.5K + full state benefits as a government paralegal. M wolfman03/07/17
3 years of law school to compete with people with an associa newyorkcity03/07/17
I'm not sure why you're having so much trouble with the conc wolfman03/07/17
wolfman, your immediate personal/economic/career disadvantag newyorkcity03/09/17
120K solo. Low COL. Some years are better, some worse. I wo fiftyplus03/07/17
65k plus benefits as an attorney at a state agency. elle30103/07/17
$180K. Associate. Boutique T&E firm. High COL. No employ jefcostello03/07/17
First post. Long time listener, first time caller. Went s typicallawyer366103/07/17
Welcome. That's great for a second year solo. What practice flharfh03/07/17
I am truly amazed how quickly it has taken off. I projected typicallawyer366103/07/17
Cowgod is up to $9.50/hr and he's getting 25 hours this week severian203/07/17
115k in gov't agency. 2010 grad. 2breedbares03/07/17
I make $140,000 this year, plus pension, TSP plan, and other cocolawyer03/07/17
$135K in federal and state taxes paid last year. Haven't do wutwutwut03/07/17
Oh no, this is one of those threads where everyone will come 3lol03/08/17
I won't make less than $170k this year. Hoping it's closer t notiers03/08/17
$168k. With bonus and profit sharing should be a hair over blinx7703/08/17



swimmer86 (Oct 21, 2012 - 12:46 pm)

I am curious as to the average salary of the people who post on JDU as compared to other law and law school forums.

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lolasaurusrex (Oct 21, 2012 - 1:12 pm)

50k

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siezetheday (Oct 21, 2012 - 1:59 pm)

About 100k total comp, gf who has also posted is 160k standard first year associate rate.

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tttjd (Oct 21, 2012 - 3:35 pm)

Considering all of the unemployeds and unemployables, the average is probably somewhere around 19k.

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trenchtown (Oct 21, 2012 - 9:26 pm)

I make $50K + benefits in a semi-legal I can't stand. A lot of times I feel like I'm struggling, but then I keep in prospective just how worse in a very real way it could be.

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siezetheday (Oct 21, 2012 - 10:30 pm)

What do you do trench?

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trenchtown (Oct 21, 2012 - 11:23 pm)

lobbyist

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siezetheday (Oct 22, 2012 - 12:09 am)

I always thought that would be a cool job. Kind of like a salesman but you make a difference :/

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futuresandwichartist (Oct 22, 2012 - 12:05 pm)

60k non-legal boring yet quite stressful job in a very high COL area. Yea yea I am grateful to be working blah blah.

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mrhart (Oct 22, 2012 - 2:51 pm)

45k actual attorney job, mind-numbingly boring in a high COL area. No, I'm not grateful to be working yada yada.

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fabio1 (Oct 22, 2012 - 3:40 pm)

60k in a sales job, low COL area.

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vanity (Oct 22, 2012 - 3:47 pm)

32k + health insurance.

Low COL area.

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ttttjd (Oct 22, 2012 - 5:28 pm)

Low.

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unemployedtroll (Oct 23, 2012 - 6:43 am)

$20/ hour

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naksala (Oct 23, 2012 - 9:32 am)

150K

7% 401k match, Union Pension, only work half a year.

Can live anywhere I want.

Oilfield Monkey, J.D.

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tttnoregrets (Oct 23, 2012 - 12:41 pm)

52K, consultant

6K, moonlighting

Low COL area

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associatex (Oct 23, 2012 - 1:22 pm)

$100K + ~$8-12K/year moonlighting as a part time real estate closing attorney. Rental income is ~$15K/year.

Area: NYC/Long Island

no student loan debt.
only debt is 6K auto loan and mortgage

practicing law 6+ years.

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frida2 (Oct 23, 2012 - 9:43 pm)

56k as a practicing attorney at a non profit. Good benefits and lots of paid time off. High COL area. But, I went to law school tuition free.

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verybored (Nov 10, 2012 - 12:08 pm)

$49k and change + benefits as a judicial law clerk. Appointment ends in August, currently seeking a job for when this one ends. Also wait tables on the weekend for an extra $4k or so a year.

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shtlawaspiration (Nov 10, 2012 - 2:19 pm)

$42k, associate attorney in a 2 man firm. 2 1/2 years out of school. Great vacation/sick leave, decent health insurance, no other benefits.

$2k working on family farm in the fall for 2 weeks every year.

$2-3k investment income.

Outrageously low COL area. Between the wife and I, we ARE the 1% around here.

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fabio1 (Nov 11, 2012 - 10:31 am)

Where are you...western Nebraska?

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shtlawaspiration (Nov 11, 2012 - 1:08 pm)

No, but similar COL. Rural Appalachia. I think that a family of four makes something like $30-33k around here on average.

My wife's salary is what gets us up into the top income earners around here, she makes $45k on top of what I pull. There are some surprisingly wealthy land owners out here, that's our only real "competition".

Going to be moving in the next year to a higher COL area unfortunately.

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unemployedvol (Nov 10, 2012 - 8:57 pm)

$52k, associate attorney in a small firm, which does provide health/dental insurance. No 401k but I will get to that on my own at some point. Still with a rather large amount of student debt. 1.5 years out from school. Live in low COL area and still live at home so I don't pay rent/mortgage.

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guyingorillasuit (Nov 10, 2012 - 9:13 pm)

Solo. Grossed $30k in the last 12 months, my first year as a licensed attorney. Net: $18k. Insurance: Healthy San Francisco (provided by the City at $50 a month). My soloing has gone as well I expected for my first year. I hope to make more this year.

I am not giving up just yet. I know people who have "made it" as a solo - i.e. income between $90k and $150k, and they all say the first few years are a struggle to survive.

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smalllawguy (Nov 11, 2012 - 1:12 pm)

Quit. Now.

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cocolawyer (Mar 7, 2017 - 7:57 pm)

You have only grossed 30k as a Family Law Attorney in 12 months in the bay area?

Okay time for a come to Jesus talk. There are two types of Family Law Attorneys: The ones that get paid, and the ones who actually like what they do for a living. The two rarely ever meet.

For example. I hated what I did, but I had one retainer that was larger then what you grossed last year. I grossed $760k last year for my firm. 75% were referrals or people that recommended me. I hated doing what I did...BUT I got paid well.

I know a couple of attorneys that are low level conflict resolution type of Family Law Attorneys. They love what they do. They are on food stamps.

To succeed as a Family Law Attorney you need to be willing to get in the dirt and treat each case like "The Battle of Bunker Hill." Guess what clients like the aggressive attorney and you bill a TON by doing it.

So if you want to succeed as a Family Law Attorney you have to hate what you are doing. If you like it you are poor as a pauper.

Transition to another area of law.

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greenhorn (Mar 8, 2017 - 12:08 am)

Cocolawyer, that post by GIGS was from 2012. I believe he's doing much better today.

As for what you said, it's mostly true. You need to shut down your voice of reason and simply satisfy your war mongering client's desires.

Bill, bill, bill and when the retainer runs out, ask for replenishment. If they can't afford replenishment, move to be relieved as counsel.

It's sad. And that's a reason why I have wound down my matrimonial cases, but it's a fact of law practice.

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cocolawyer (Mar 9, 2017 - 4:38 pm)

HAHA I only realized that now. The devil is in the details.

Its still a true statement. Family Law sucks. You get clients at the worst time of their life. They are unreasonable. Opposing counsels are unreasonable. The only way you can get the Court to follow the law is if you bring a Court Reporter in tow with you or have a statement of decision. There really is no worse area of law.

Now if you are a dum dum. A basic mouth breather, that has no skills, and cannot articulate a simple sentence low level family law is for you. So is Traffic Court and low level criminal cases.

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superttthero (Nov 10, 2012 - 9:30 pm)

e-Discovery Of-Counsel for a V50 firm.

With bonus I made right around $100K last year.

4 years ago.

Will need to move cities and will likely be going solo in 6-9 months.

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garga (Nov 11, 2012 - 1:49 am)

Does it say that on the firm website? I've never seen that title before. I had no idea that big firm of counsels were making 30 percent less than first year associates.

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phillydoucherocket (Nov 10, 2012 - 9:37 pm)

Doc review for the last few years 75-80k. Add some adjuncting for another 6k.

In my new job, my salary is about the same with an unspecified yearly bonus. I haven't brought in any business (but I'm trying) but I've managed to make us look really smart in front of our biggest client.

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psusurf (Nov 10, 2012 - 9:39 pm)

85k, three years out of law school in nj. Only do family law in a five attorney firm. Plus I get a percentage of business origination which nets out about another 20k or so. Firm provides health insurance and IRA 5% match.

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anglemerchant (Nov 10, 2012 - 10:31 pm)

Solo for 3 years now after 2 years of document review. 50k doing doc review. Lost about 5k first year solo, made 30k second year solo, will do about 90k this year net. Next year hoping to double that.

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calatty (Nov 10, 2012 - 11:57 pm)

About 148K, plus matching 401(k), retirement etc. Have to pay about 10% of my paycheck for my portion of the retirement.

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severian2 (Nov 11, 2012 - 12:32 am)

as a full-time lawyer i made between 65k-110k a year. made about 20k this year playing lawyer on the side.

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kansas (Nov 11, 2012 - 12:54 am)

solo, net last year 20K
*sobbing*

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garga (Nov 11, 2012 - 2:00 am)

Partner at small firm I co founded a few years ago, this year is looking to be around 550k in takehome. Last year was around 200k but including a lot of investments in office equipment and furniture I won't have to make again for a while. I am still a bit envious of the salaries of my classmates who are now jr biglaw partners even though I work much lighter hours in a cheaper COL city.

My first 18 months in business I made around 10k total.

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t14debt (Nov 11, 2012 - 6:22 am)

Nice. I don't think you have anything to be envious about. What you built is yours and those junior partners can be pushed out if they don't meet their numbers.

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superttthero (Nov 11, 2012 - 10:50 am)

What field?

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superttthero (Nov 11, 2012 - 10:50 am)

edit: double post.

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superttthero (Nov 11, 2012 - 10:50 am)

edit: triple post.

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bizzybone1313 (Nov 11, 2012 - 10:35 am)

"You didn't build that."- President Obama. :)

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smalllawguy (Nov 11, 2012 - 1:12 pm)

Urge to scream.. rising.

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denpaonna (Nov 11, 2012 - 12:21 pm)

75K

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guyingorillasuit (Nov 11, 2012 - 1:16 pm)

Garga, can you tell us more about how you did it? What field are you in? How did you grow your business?

Thank you.

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garga (Nov 11, 2012 - 5:46 pm)

Taking business disputes on contingency or semi contingency is our largest and best area of practice. Not going it alone, and starting just as the current depression was also starting was perfect because it has the effect of undermining a lot of business arrangements and increasing the need and desire for contingency attorneys. A lot of my cases are about "who eats the loss" on businesses that failed outside of bankruptcy.

We also do NASD arbs but not me personally.

Our marketing was mainly trying to socialize with economically successful non lawyers and mutual referrals.

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cowgod (Nov 11, 2012 - 2:18 pm)

$8.50/hr. Only getting 8 hrs this week.

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tearsandcrumbs (Nov 11, 2012 - 2:48 pm)

$76k base salary + a collection bonus (20% of all my billing collections that exceed my proportionate share of firm overhead). I expect to gross between $120k/$130k this year. I'm a second year litigation associate in a mid-sized firm (20-30 attorneys) in a low COL area with about 200k people.

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garga (Nov 11, 2012 - 5:51 pm)

I had no idea cities that small paid 2nd years that much. Are you at the best firm in the city, or in a small state capital?

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dahlia (Nov 12, 2012 - 9:16 am)

How much of the overhead is allocated to you? How many hours do you bill a week?

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tobeornottobe (Nov 11, 2012 - 8:35 pm)

$2,500 this year as an independent consultant for a former employer. Same last year. Some small investments, but basically living off savings. I am 47. Have tried for every job, legal and non legal imaginable. Also tried to volunteer with legal aid societies with no success. Done volunteer work for two food banks, an organic farm, a kidney foundation, and a chamber of commerce. Published in Chamber newsletter. No doc review where I am.

Looked into solo but my background is in unemployment insurance and workers' compensation. No money in either area. Unemployed aren't hiring attorneys, and state limits what you can charge in these cases. Can't charge anything in a WC case unless you win. Can't afford to do that.

Looked into other areas but discouraged by meetings with thirty or so small practitioners who have a lot more experience and are barely making it. Also not sure I can handle the stress. Was assaulted for twelve years by a violent drunken sibling, and then was an adult caregiver for my late parents for ten years. Last few years of my father's life, nearly every weekday was 14+ hours.

Had a good job in DC. Quite to take care of father. Turned it down at his request when it was offered back to me. Turned down another good job for the same reason. Turned down a very promising job with a law firm in 1996 because mom was dying of cancer, sister was drinking, and dad had health problems.

Not sure what I'm going to do. Wrote a book that is getting fabulous reviews on Amazon and Goodreads. Getting cover redone. Hoping it starts to sell.

Glad you all have been more successful. I am not envious. I am happy for you.

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tobeornottobe (Nov 11, 2012 - 8:36 pm)

Correction. Turned down a job interview in 1996. The job had not been offered to me, but they did offer to fly me to their city.

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bizzybone1313 (Nov 11, 2012 - 11:56 pm)

You should try to get into politics tobeornottobe. Have you thought about it? Some city councils pay $80K. Go knock on every door in the entire district.

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flawed (Nov 12, 2012 - 9:46 am)

just a month shy of my first year practicing post admit to the bar.

looks like i will gross roughly $46k, no benefits, probably spent $4k on gas.

Very high COL but I live with mommy and daddy (and am still on their health insurance)

only thing that gives me hope of some future financial success is that I am working on a handful of PI cases in which I get 1/3 of the firm's 1/3 fees.

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3tgrad (Nov 12, 2012 - 11:44 am)

81K + Full Benefits

Attorneys are given annual raises according to our pay schedule. Next year will be 84k by year 5 pay is 140K.

No pressure to become a partner. Associates are welcome to stay as associates for as long as they please and work product is high qualty.

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doublefriedchicken (Nov 12, 2012 - 1:13 pm)

225K, non legal, no benefits.

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elitttist (Nov 12, 2012 - 1:58 pm)

Consultant?

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doublefriedchicken (Nov 12, 2012 - 2:54 pm)

Yes

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hankstamper (Nov 12, 2012 - 2:33 pm)

About 40K as partner in small firm I started in 2009, doing mostly family law. Made about 30K last year, and about 20K my first year.

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mississippilawyer (Nov 12, 2012 - 2:47 pm)

If that is your taxable income, hankstamper, then that isnt terrible.

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hankstamper (Nov 12, 2012 - 3:32 pm)

That is my taxable income, Mississippi. It isn't so bad, I am making progress, and each year is a little better. I'm getting better and better as an attorney, and I am building a solid reputation as a family law attorney in my area (mid-size city in Pacific Northwest). It hasn't been easy, but I'm a hard worker and won't give up yet.

I also do some PI/auto accidents, and have a few cases in the works that should yield about 50 to 75K in fees over the next 6 to 18 months.

I like your postings, and wish you the best.

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123fakestreet (Nov 12, 2012 - 2:51 pm)

$450k in 2011. This year is going to be lower. Maybe $375 - $425 range.

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mississippilawyer (Nov 12, 2012 - 3:32 pm)

if that your taxable income, fakestreet? If that is, you are a baller on this site.

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123fakestreet (Nov 12, 2012 - 3:38 pm)

Yeah. Business gross was ~$650, then subtract expenses, refunds, 401k, etc, I got it down to about 450.

This year is slowing. First half was better than '11 but the last 4 months or so have been going downhill. Time to kick off a new ad campaign I guess.

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garga (Nov 12, 2012 - 11:59 pm)

I looked into getting us a 401k, but the fees are way too high to justify the tax savings unless I assume I'll be in a very low bracket later and make tons of money in the account. I don't know why personal IRAs are virtually free, but I could not find anything that made sense for a very small business.

Even Vanguard which is a non-profit known for low fees charges a lot. No quick online setup either.

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123fakestreet (Nov 14, 2012 - 1:21 pm)

What fees? Just open a 401k account with one of the online brokers and there shouldn't be any fees plus the tax savings is substantial.

http://www.solo401kcalculator.com/

On a $60k w-2, you can contribute $32k and that's like $16k less in income taxes you have to pay.

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mississippilawyer (Nov 12, 2012 - 3:32 pm)

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lefty (Nov 12, 2012 - 3:44 pm)

Class of 2009. 80K + $40/month for phone + all commuting expenses paid (about $250/month). Full benefits and 4 weeks vacation. High COL area and I have an incredible amount of school debt, but wife has biglaw so we make it just fine...for now.

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bigsal (Nov 12, 2012 - 3:57 pm)

60k remote doc review and Spanish doc review. Unemployment while in med school.

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brent84 (Nov 12, 2012 - 4:37 pm)

80k + 20% bonus - 2 yrs out - compliance for broker-dealer

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siezetheday (Nov 13, 2012 - 8:46 pm)

nice.

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bigeastboy (Nov 12, 2012 - 6:59 pm)

55k at 10 attorney firm, first year, upstate.

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lawsmith (Nov 13, 2012 - 8:30 pm)

65K, small firm, class of 2008.

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cheapbrass (Nov 14, 2012 - 11:36 am)

wow, your salaries mostly sound pretty good ($50k or more). so why are ppl still complaining?

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shtlawaspiration (Nov 14, 2012 - 1:04 pm)

I think people complain because of the debt issues stemming from law school mostly.

If its not that, then its the constant hustle for business, the soul sucking nature of certain fields of law [eg. ID, some crim], or hate of law in general for people that thought being a lawyer was all models and bottles.

That, and people like to b!tch.

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a84648 (Nov 14, 2012 - 1:12 pm)

65k and benefits, very low COL, school loans ~37k, rural west. Work as a prosecutor, graduated in Dec. 2010.

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karlfarbman (Nov 14, 2012 - 1:17 pm)

Between 65k-70k, health insurance and 401k, medium cost of living area. A few years out of law school.

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subprimejd (Nov 14, 2012 - 1:35 pm)

75K , 2.5 yr
medium cost of living

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severian2 (Nov 14, 2012 - 3:02 pm)

subby, does that include your bonuses and wages making moussaka on the weekends or is that straight salary?

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subprimejd (Nov 14, 2012 - 4:23 pm)

Salary and bonus

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livingthedream (Nov 14, 2012 - 4:16 pm)

70k + full reimbursement at federal rate for miles + expenses + small bonus (i.e. one pay check) at xmas time. I'm a 2010 4t grad working in one of the largest legal markets. Plaintiff's work and I'm biligual. Small firm >5 attorneys.

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associatex (Mar 7, 2017 - 12:38 am)

bumping because this is an oldie but goodie!

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justdoingok (Mar 7, 2017 - 9:31 am)

@associatex - salary improved from that of 2012?

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associatex (Mar 7, 2017 - 9:50 am)

Yep.

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wolfman (Mar 7, 2017 - 9:36 am)

53.5K + full state benefits as a government paralegal.

My job requires a minimum of an associate's degree with experience to take a state civil service exam (I scored 100 out of 100, but in fairness, most other people there looked like they couldn't read or came straight off the boat from Bangalore) but they'll take a T25 JD as an acceptable substitute haha... I had to send in my transcript and everything.

Which was good of them - I'm not being sarcastic; a lot of private sector paralegal jobs (biglaw) specifically exclude JDs, and the ones that don't often pay crap and treat people like crap.

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newyorkcity (Mar 7, 2017 - 1:23 pm)

3 years of law school to compete with people with an associate's degree. You must be a real gunner. I'm sure that the only reason that Skadden Arps won't have you is all the people who are straight off the boat from Bangalore. Get rid of them, and BigLaw will certainly offer you a partnership.

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wolfman (Mar 7, 2017 - 2:35 pm)

I'm not sure why you're having so much trouble with the concept, but my political views, on immigration and other topics, which are hardly relevant to the law forum and which I rarely mention on it, are actually motivated by what I think would be best for the country, and not by whatever immediate personal/economic/career advantage I would derive from my views prevailing.

It's called "patriotism" and/or "love of country."

On second thought, I can see why that would be a difficult concept for some people...

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newyorkcity (Mar 9, 2017 - 9:09 pm)

wolfman, your immediate personal/economic/career disadvantages are due to many reasons: 1) you can't write, you can't get licensed, you can't get a job other than that of a government paralegal. But none of those reasons have anything to do with patriotism or immigrants. In fact, the best thing for our country would be to get rid of losers like you who won't take ownership of their own failures and would rather blame their misery on someone else.

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fiftyplus (Mar 7, 2017 - 2:14 pm)

120K solo. Low COL. Some years are better, some worse. I work six days a week most weeks, but can take vacation whenever the trial calendar allows. Monday through Friday is legal work and meeting clients; Saturday is the glamour stuff - cleaning the bathroom, vacuuming the office, doing the books, making sure nothing fell between the cracks. SIMPLE IRA and health care through Obamacare (no subsidy, of course).

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elle301 (Mar 7, 2017 - 2:58 pm)

65k plus benefits as an attorney at a state agency.

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jefcostello (Mar 7, 2017 - 5:42 pm)

$180K. Associate. Boutique T&E firm. High COL. No employer provided health insurance. 401K. 2004 graduate.

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typicallawyer3661 (Mar 7, 2017 - 6:00 pm)

First post. Long time listener, first time caller.

Went solo last year shortly after passing the bar exam. Grossed 50k, netted 39k.

This year looks to pan out 100-120k gross with maybe 70-90k net. These are conservative numbers and i will be disappointed if i dont reach the middle range of those figures. Going solo has been the best decision i have ever made.

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flharfh (Mar 7, 2017 - 6:07 pm)

Welcome. That's great for a second year solo. What practice area? Did you take clients with you?

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typicallawyer3661 (Mar 7, 2017 - 6:38 pm)

I am truly amazed how quickly it has taken off. I projected 20k net at most for my first year.

Criminal defense work.

Took on some other areas in the beginning and did not like them very much. Didn't have any clients when I started. Got a few clients, worked hard and obtained awesome results. I will tell you what, when you get a case dismissed outright or a not guilty verdict, people will tell everyone they know about you forever. I also get a fair amount of referrals from other attorneys.

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severian2 (Mar 7, 2017 - 6:48 pm)

Cowgod is up to $9.50/hr and he's getting 25 hours this week!

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2breedbares (Mar 7, 2017 - 7:33 pm)

115k in gov't agency. 2010 grad.

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cocolawyer (Mar 7, 2017 - 8:05 pm)

I make $140,000 this year, plus pension, TSP plan, and other benefits (First week at government position). Last year I made about the same if you include bonuses. The difference is a substantial lower stress level and no billable expectation.

I graduated in 2012 and am a 4th year attorney. I think if I opened up my own shop I probably would make around $300k. The stress would be immense though.

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wutwutwut (Mar 7, 2017 - 11:06 pm)

$135K in federal and state taxes paid last year. Haven't done the taxes yet this year. No reason to rush.

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3lol (Mar 8, 2017 - 12:31 am)

Oh no, this is one of those threads where everyone will come out of the woodwork to spam.

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notiers (Mar 8, 2017 - 3:22 am)

I won't make less than $170k this year. Hoping it's closer to $180k, but it will depends on how much I bring in. 2008 grad. Midlaw firm. Started from the bottom ID-mill (upon graduation from a 4th tier) and now I'm heaAaa boy.

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blinx77 (Mar 8, 2017 - 7:16 am)

$168k. With bonus and profit sharing should be a hair over $200k all in. Very HCOL city.

Class of 2009, senior associate in "boutique" law firm. We compete with biglaw, including some firms that start first years at 180k, so honestly I feel sort of underpaid, but it is a good environment and the billables are lower. (1650 minimum, last year I did 1750 and was praised, year before did 1550 and still got a very small bonus but was told to bring them up -- would have been walking papers from biglaw with that.)

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