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Im striking out at OCI

Help! My grades are not the problem (my school is an issue, midweststudent08/30/12
Sounds like you interview badly. If you're getting to the sc phillydoucherocket08/30/12
Yeah, I've had a lot of screeners, so it really is me - I th midweststudent08/30/12
"I'm striking out at OCI" In 2012 on this forum, that's l sadandunemployed08/30/12
midweststudent, do you mind sharing what school you are at o grrrstick08/30/12
here's the real problem: about twice as many law school grad matahairy08/30/12
I was in the same position as you, and the only real hope yo lolasaurusrex08/30/12
Thanks - I know a couple of people from my school have done midweststudent08/30/12
I think if you are near the top of your class (sounds like i lolasaurusrex08/30/12
Thanks for this - I am in an urban area (but have a car). I midweststudent08/30/12
that doesn't exist you should drop out now many of us lawtard08/30/12
This is good advice. guyingorillasuit08/30/12
Like OP stated, once the train has left the station on fall lawlawtemp08/30/12
As someone who went through this exact same dilemma last yea catherinewheel08/30/12
So what happened - did you find something? How? I get that t midweststudent08/30/12
You can make the best of it by dropping out and not looking fabio108/30/12
Agreed. This is what I should have done. catherinewheel08/30/12
OP won't believe it but that could very well be the best cho eject08/30/12
special little snowflake syndrome applies to current law stu whatisrap08/30/12
My advice, if you strike out at OCI, is to take a leave of a unfrozenlawyer08/31/12
If he could do this as easily as you make it sound he probab catherinewheel08/31/12
OSCAR/state clerkships are pretty much your last hope for a kw6713a08/31/12



midweststudent (Aug 30, 2012 - 2:01 am)

Help! My grades are not the problem (my school is an issue, but I know that others have gotten CBs). I do have a lot of public-service/not very prestigious pre-law-school experience on my resume - which employers seem to want to talk about (and which might be a problem). I only have a couple additional screeners - so at this point, I want to talk small firm 2L summer stuff. How do I go about getting a job. I've been drinking all night - apologies for typos, general lack of coherence.

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phillydoucherocket (Aug 30, 2012 - 12:57 pm)

Sounds like you interview badly. If you're getting to the screeners, you're at least interesting enough to spend a few minutes with them.

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midweststudent (Aug 30, 2012 - 3:39 pm)

Yeah, I've had a lot of screeners, so it really is me - I think the screeners were picked solely on grades. My resume (despite attempts to scrub it) screams public interest/public service all over. The mock interviewer the school set me up with thought I did great - but she works for the gov't. I'm not fat/ugly/totally awkward - but I think I lack the sort of "go-getter" personality/experience that I suppose makes firms money.

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sadandunemployed (Aug 30, 2012 - 8:31 am)

"I'm striking out at OCI"

In 2012 on this forum, that's like posting "the sky is blue"

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grrrstick (Aug 30, 2012 - 9:13 am)

midweststudent, do you mind sharing what school you are at or its range? Hope you are hustling, since the window for getting a job for the summer is closing fast. I know it's hard; best of luck to you!

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matahairy (Aug 30, 2012 - 10:17 am)

here's the real problem: about twice as many law school grads each year as there are jobs/demand for them.

It's that simple.

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lolasaurusrex (Aug 30, 2012 - 1:01 pm)

I was in the same position as you, and the only real hope you have left of getting Big Law, is to try like hell to secure a federal clerkship. Although coming from a lower ranked school may make that next to impossible as well, but you can give it a shot heading into 3L.

Outside of clerkships, now is the time to start the dreaded "networking" or even just checking craigslist or your school's internal job board. Another option to get your foot in the door is to talk to 3L or recently graduated students. A lot of small firms can't afford to bring these students on full-time and some of these students actually get real jobs after graduation so the firms are looking to hire again. A lot of people on my journal at school got 2L jobs this way, as the small firms would basically hire whoever the previous clerk recommended.

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midweststudent (Aug 30, 2012 - 3:26 pm)

Thanks - I know a couple of people from my school have done Fed Clerkships, but I think that may have had more to do with connections than anything else. I'm going to be spamming all the Government Honors programs for something this year. I don't feel like I need BIGLAW per se, but I'd like to have a shot at something decent (40k+ with benefits). Not sure if gunning for govt (PD/DA/Agency) or some kind of mid-law (does it exist for those without experience?) makes the most sense right now.

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lolasaurusrex (Aug 30, 2012 - 3:52 pm)

I think if you are near the top of your class (sounds like it if you're getting OCI interviews) and you put in the work during the school year you should be in pretty good shape. Also if your school is in an urban area, try looking for places outside the urban area. I ended working during the school year and in a suburb and ended up getting a position paying 50k with full benefits/insurance/bar dues/ etc. What surprised me is when I applied as a law clerk the position was advertised at 18 dollars per hour and apparently I was the only one to apply. Two weeks later 2 other people would apply but I was already hired. So if you are willing to look somewhat outside your school's geographical area you might have some luck as well.

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midweststudent (Aug 30, 2012 - 4:08 pm)

Thanks for this - I am in an urban area (but have a car). I can see how the outer ring suburbs would be easier/less popular. I will hustle and keep the hope alive! Now, off to another reception that is unlikely to turn into a call back. I hope that they have free booze.

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lawtard (Aug 30, 2012 - 11:50 pm)

that doesn't exist

you should drop out now

many of us have left law for second careers..save yourself before its too late man

i'm not being mellow dramatic either. unless you like duis and night court (as amusing as it is sometimes) its not worth 250k.

I came from a better ranked school than you most likely and I was top 15% of my class. I struck out and ended up in contract positions and DR. But most people will do shitlaw bro. So will you because your not a special snowflake. Your a fucken retard like the rest of us.

But you won't listen...none of them ever do

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guyingorillasuit (Aug 30, 2012 - 3:40 pm)

This is good advice.

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lawlawtemp (Aug 30, 2012 - 3:33 pm)

Like OP stated, once the train has left the station on fall OCI, the tracks diverge and you can NEVER go back. It might be time to reassess and think about dropping out. Outside of biglaw, fed clerkships, and public interest, the legal job market is pretty dismal. Google "document review" and "shitlaw." Ask yourself if this is the type of life you want to live.

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catherinewheel (Aug 30, 2012 - 4:31 pm)

As someone who went through this exact same dilemma last year, I can tell you definitively that your life is going to get a whole lot worse in the coming months, and there isnt really a damn thing you can do about it, despite what people may say in this thread.

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midweststudent (Aug 30, 2012 - 4:59 pm)

So what happened - did you find something? How? I get that this sucks - believe me. But I've got to make the best of it at this point.

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fabio1 (Aug 30, 2012 - 5:30 pm)

You can make the best of it by dropping out and not looking back.

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catherinewheel (Aug 30, 2012 - 6:17 pm)

Agreed. This is what I should have done.

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eject (Aug 30, 2012 - 6:25 pm)

OP won't believe it but that could very well be the best choice even though it sounds so extreme. This is a chance for OP to really think about what s/he wants out of a job and even out of life. Most people who know what small firm life is like would not choose it again. What's left? A chance at the state government job roulette? Do you want to pay $100,000 for that game?

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whatisrap (Aug 30, 2012 - 6:32 pm)

special little snowflake syndrome applies to current law students as well. No chance the OP will be able to step back and see the truth. This is evidenced by the "making the best out of a bad situation" post from earlier in the thread. OP thinks that everything will be ok and he/she will be the exception to the rule even after striking out at OCI.

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unfrozenlawyer (Aug 31, 2012 - 1:33 pm)

My advice, if you strike out at OCI, is to take a leave of absence for a year (or drop to part-time), and find a job in an industry where you would like to work. Even if its a low level position like in administration, because then you can decide whether you really want to be a lawyer. If you do, go back to school but also keep your job.

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catherinewheel (Aug 31, 2012 - 4:31 pm)

If he could do this as easily as you make it sound he probably wouldn't be in law school in the first place.

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kw6713a (Aug 31, 2012 - 4:36 pm)

OSCAR/state clerkships are pretty much your last hope for a good, high-level legal career.

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