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Leave undergrad off resume if somewhat older?

recent unemployed grad here...7 years older than many other fuckup06/20/12
Just don't put the dates that you graduated college/law scho ballsnottt06/20/12
The standard course of action for avoiding age discriminatio eject06/20/12
I don't think age discrimination is a major factor - I'm 33, fuckup06/20/12
Again, from my experience looking too young can actually be eject06/20/12
Headhunter firm made me leave off my graduation dates from 1 marlon06/20/12
Leave it on. In addition to what others have said, you might recordingangel06/20/12
i'd like undergrad to matter, but it hasn't helped me so far fuckup06/21/12
I not only left on my Bachelors, since it was recent (2005, propita06/21/12
I love when random google searches lead me to JDU. So muc 3lol03/15/17
33 is not per se old. I am close to that age. It is more abo adamb03/16/17
don't leave it off. You're at the stage where no one cares dingbat03/16/17
I'm not looking to leave my firm, but I like to keep my resu 3lol03/16/17
Hiring people are a fickle bunch (we all are in that positio superttthero03/16/17
It makes no difference. They WILL figure it out. There is patenttrollnj03/16/17
OP was ~ 5 years ago. Now he's *really* too old. wutwutwut03/16/17
LOL .... good catch! patenttrollnj03/16/17
Ha. I never notice that in my phone... just on pc. superttthero03/16/17
I'm so lame trying to type on my phone that I never use it f wutwutwut03/16/17
haha I'm fine. Age wasn't a problem. Legal economy when I fuckup03/22/17
I'm just trying to make space in the future and I'm trying t 3lol03/22/17



fuckup (Jun 20, 2012 - 7:28 pm)

recent unemployed grad here...7 years older than many other grads. if I leave my undergrad off resume it can be down to one page, also I am concerned about age discrimination the longer I'm out of school.

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ballsnottt (Jun 20, 2012 - 8:00 pm)

Just don't put the dates that you graduated college/law school. If you leave it off entirely, it will look fishy. Either people will think you are making shit up or they will assume you are a graduate of devry online. Don't worry about age discrimination. People will figure out how old you are based on your job history. Unless you lie about that. How old we talking?

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eject (Jun 20, 2012 - 8:09 pm)

The standard course of action for avoiding age discrimination is to leave the dates off, not to leave the undergrad off completely. But if you're in your thirties I wouldn't bother leaving dates off.

For the most part, law is a field where being older won't necessarily hurt you. It will usually help you. (I think the exception might be some horrible and small employers who prey on youngsters to abuse. If you're older they think you're not willing to put up with too much BS. But you don't want to work for those people anyway.)

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fuckup (Jun 20, 2012 - 8:42 pm)

I don't think age discrimination is a major factor - I'm 33, not 50. But I do wonder if some employers prefer a right out of undergrad type, easier to mold or whatever. and maybe more of a stigma to being 33 and unemployed than 26 and unemployed.

I actually went to a good undergrad. Like my work history, it does not seem to help in the least.

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eject (Jun 20, 2012 - 9:06 pm)

Again, from my experience looking too young can actually be a disadvantage if you're not working for big firms. (I assume since you're unemployed you're not likely to work for big firms.) At smaller firms, you're actually going to interact with clients, representatives, opposing counsel, etc. The reality is that people prefer not to have a kid represent them in these situations. (At big firms the new attorneys have no meaningful client contact.)

In terms of the molding issue, I think that has to do more with how long you've been practicing law and in what context.

The bottom line is that you are fine.

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marlon (Jun 20, 2012 - 8:46 pm)

Headhunter firm made me leave off my graduation dates from 1995. Those
dudes were much younger than me, maybe that had something to do with it.

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recordingangel (Jun 20, 2012 - 11:40 pm)

Leave it on. In addition to what others have said, you might miss an opportunity if your resume gets in front of a fellow alum. Take something else off or play with the margins.

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fuckup (Jun 21, 2012 - 5:24 am)

i'd like undergrad to matter, but it hasn't helped me so far.

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propita (Jun 21, 2012 - 1:27 am)

I not only left on my Bachelors, since it was recent (2005, English, summa cum laude), I left on my Associate's--which I got in 1984. Why? Because it was in a very unusual field--Laser Technology. I wanted employers to see the breadth of my background, especially since my only job until recently was 16 years in aerospace.

As it is, I am not working. Having passed the CBX on my second try in 2010, health issues precluded full time work with that kind of stress. Now that those issues are settled, my husband and I agreed that full time work is still too stressful for me. Oh, I went to a non-ABA school and my loans are paid, so the money isn't an issue. I have done contract work, primarily Minors' Compromises for what I suppose would be considered shitlaw PI firms. They can't get them granted. I evaluated over 150 while interning at the court--I know what it takes to get one granted the first time through and have had 8 granted without a problem. The last one was for a $1.3M settlement--poor kid.

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3lol (Mar 15, 2017 - 11:38 pm)

I love when random google searches lead me to JDU.

So much good info. Cheers, administrator.

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adamb (Mar 16, 2017 - 8:36 am)

33 is not per se old. I am close to that age. It is more about experience and how you carry yourself.

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dingbat (Mar 16, 2017 - 9:25 am)

don't leave it off. You're at the stage where no one cares about your undergrad, but it's certainly a negative if someone notices it's missing. And these days, that might mean an automatic ding - the reader might not even bother going past the education section.

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3lol (Mar 16, 2017 - 10:27 am)

I'm not looking to leave my firm, but I like to keep my resume somewhat up to date if something amazing were to come my way.

I don't care about my age, I'm just trying to delete things to make space for other things. It's a densely packed single page as it is.

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superttthero (Mar 16, 2017 - 10:38 am)

Hiring people are a fickle bunch (we all are in that position).

I think at 33, leaving everything on is the right call. Anyone that specifically wants a fresh face to mold or take advantage of is going to LOOK for recent grads and auto-ding someone that left out the time period with the older group.

I think you're only alieanting the hiring people that would look at you based on your age but find it fishy that you left it out (they'll think you're 60+ or hiding something).

If you were actually 50+ applying for closer to entry/low experience job, that's the only time I would leave off the time period. And unless you are coasting on a massive amount of experience and went to an embarrassing school--I would never leave the UG name/degree off.

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patenttrollnj (Mar 16, 2017 - 11:22 am)

It makes no difference. They WILL figure it out. There is no possible way you can hide your age from an employer.

However, I do think you're missing the point. The issue is how long ago did you graduate law school, NOT college. If you graduated law school 7+ years ago, it will be hard to find a new law job.

On the other hand, if you recently graduated law school, and you just happen to be 7 years older than your cohorts, I wouldn't worry so much.

If you've been in the legal sector too long, employers may see you as "old goods." Given the simplistic stuff associates normally do (that a firm can get any idiot to do), they really want experienced lawyers to court clients and bring-in revenue. So, if you've been an associate for too long, employers may view you as NOT being able to offer much.

Thus, I don't think "age" is what employers discriminate against. "Age" is just a proxy they use to determine how much revenue you can generate for a company. Consider that older paralegals and secretaries get hired all the time.

Anecdotally, when I started practicing (15+ years ago when things were much better in the legal sector), older people over 50 were hired as associates at mid-sized and small law firms all the time. Biglaw would go for the 20-somethings, but less prestigious places did hire older folks.

Good luck!

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wutwutwut (Mar 16, 2017 - 2:01 pm)

OP was ~ 5 years ago.

Now he's *really* too old.

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patenttrollnj (Mar 16, 2017 - 3:07 pm)

LOL .... good catch!

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superttthero (Mar 16, 2017 - 3:25 pm)

Ha. I never notice that in my phone... just on pc.

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wutwutwut (Mar 16, 2017 - 3:34 pm)

I'm so lame trying to type on my phone that I never use it for replies. It's good for reading, though, and the `site is very easy on the data compared to most.

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fuckup (Mar 22, 2017 - 4:54 pm)

haha I'm fine. Age wasn't a problem. Legal economy when I graduated was.

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3lol (Mar 22, 2017 - 5:03 pm)

I'm just trying to make space in the future and I'm trying to calculate what's unimportant enough to get the axe.

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