Accepted into the Army Reserve JAG Corps.

Taking questions, I guess. CleverLoginName09/12/11
Congratulations, when do you go to Charlottesville? Schmee09/12/11
I just got the email a few days ago, and was told to expect CleverLoginName09/12/11
You probably already know this, but you should start doing l Schmee09/12/11
I have been since I first applied. But I've been seriously r CleverLoginName09/12/11
Congratulations? Beeyay09/12/11
Thanks? CleverLoginName09/12/11
Can you, in fact, handle the truth better than your naval co OhioDocReviewer09/12/11
I sure hope so! CleverLoginName09/12/11
I wouldn't worry too much about this - I seriously doubt you tiredjd09/16/11
1) I don't want you on that wall. 2) I don't need you on ELECTRICLIGHTS09/12/11
Why not active duty jag? Vanity09/12/11
I'd like to continue to pursue a civilian career, either in CleverLoginName09/12/11
Pay very close attention to the following advice: 1. It i YouGottaBeShittingMe09/12/11
Care to elaborate? Why will I wish that I'm active duty? CleverLoginName09/12/11
the reserves are INCREDIBLY disruptign. Will your current w thecharmingmresq09/12/11
Whatever! Third year and still a 2LT? This person must hav tolietdegree09/13/11
So, I've looked into the prospects for transferring into AD. CleverLoginName09/13/11
this is all well and good FOR NOW. but you're on the hook f thecharmingmresq09/13/11
Actually you are on the hook for 8 years. Two years in the tolietdegree09/13/11
"You don't expect to transition into something "better" in t CleverLoginName09/13/11
anecdotally, i had a professor who was a jag reserve officer slunt09/13/11
Initial training for Army JAGs is about 4.5 months: -12 day upnorthguy209/13/11
Seen anyone like Catherine Bell yet? ImoothereforeIm09/12/11
I confess that I had to Google her name. She's cute, though. CleverLoginName09/12/11
1) What is the pay? 2) What state? I assume NC. 3) How lon tjsucks09/12/11
1. In the Reserve, the pay is pretty much negligible, unless CleverLoginName09/13/11
OP, Is it true you are a soldier first and then a JAG Off tolietdegree09/13/11
Only Marines are stupid enough to claim that. Schmee09/13/11
for them, tho, it's not fake. A marine JAG gets teargassed thecharmingmresq09/13/11
That's fine and all, but we're talking about leading infantr Schmee09/13/11
Usmc jags go thru OCS I believe. Which makes them just as qu rastaman10/20/15
Why would anyone want to do this? Upstater09/13/11
Tricare. MasterPoaster09/14/11
From what I heat, Tricare is pretty awesome. BigSal09/14/11
I read the response from YouGottaBeShittingMe and pretty muc BeefSupreme09/13/11
Would you do it over if you had the chance? CleverLoginName09/13/11
CleverLoginName, if I had it to do over again I'd go active, BeefSupreme09/14/11
But if you go, Ft Lee's a hoot. Especially nice if you're a BeefSupreme09/14/11
Suppose active duty wasn't an option for whatever reason. CleverLoginName09/14/11
That's a tough call. In hindsight I liked the military expe BeefSupreme09/14/11
I'm actually considering the reserves. I work at a large fi BigD09/14/11
Better make sure. Not only is the Reserves a significant co BeefSupreme09/15/11
You should look into the Active Guard Reserve. They are lias shammer09/15/11
Good luck trying to get an AGR slot as a new JAG. These slo upnorthguy209/16/11
I'm an AD Air Force JAG. I went to Commissioned Officer Tra tingmu9910/18/11
tingmu: i have a civilian govt job. i'm thinking of air forc newgslawyer08/30/16
I was a lawyer in the Terran Space Marines, until I was assi therewillbeblood10/18/11
Did you get to work the rebels or Mengsk? Vanity10/18/11
I don't get it. If you actually want to be a lawyer why go gribble10/18/11
Define "lifestyle" please. No one likes a lifestyle of cons tolietdegree10/18/11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-_c 6V0U-4k OhioDocReviewer10/18/11
I love that lifestyle. Why do you people want such boring l gribble10/19/11
Might I ask what you actually do in the Navy to make six fig DeerPark03/03/12
DP- Check this out: http://militarypay.defense.gov/pay/ calc/ dovesoap03/03/12
I don't make 6 figures in the Navy, at the time I wrote this gribble03/03/12
why did you leave 6 figures for the navy? DeerPark03/03/12
I absolutely hated practicing law. I don't think I would hav gribble03/03/12
what are you doing in the navy? slunt03/03/12
It sounds like you do some crim, so why not try to go ct app missles11/11/11
I was also accepted, haven't commissioned or taken the oath MasterPoaster03/03/12
Go here: http://www.facebook.com/groups/2212 920847/ US Army cyph3r03/04/12
Did you receive the acceptance e-mail prior to JARO posting mattn62511/08/12

CleverLoginName (Sep 12, 2011 - 5:33 pm)

Taking questions, I guess.

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Schmee (Sep 12, 2011 - 5:36 pm)

Congratulations, when do you go to Charlottesville?

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CleverLoginName (Sep 12, 2011 - 5:38 pm)

I just got the email a few days ago, and was told to expect more details in the coming weeks, so I'm not 100% sure. But February looks to be most likely.

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Schmee (Sep 12, 2011 - 5:54 pm)

You probably already know this, but you should start doing lots of pushups, situps, and running.

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CleverLoginName (Sep 12, 2011 - 5:57 pm)

I have been since I first applied. But I've been seriously ramping it up over the last week.

I've got a way to go, but I'm already seeing results.

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Beeyay (Sep 12, 2011 - 5:34 pm)

Congratulations?

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CleverLoginName (Sep 12, 2011 - 5:39 pm)

Thanks?

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OhioDocReviewer (Sep 12, 2011 - 5:37 pm)

Can you, in fact, handle the truth better than your naval counterparts?

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CleverLoginName (Sep 12, 2011 - 5:38 pm)

I sure hope so!

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tiredjd (Sep 16, 2011 - 11:13 pm)

I wouldn't worry too much about this - I seriously doubt you will be assigned to a murder case in Gitmo.

At least not until he successfully plea bargains enough cases to get a set of steak knives.

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ELECTRICLIGHTS (Sep 12, 2011 - 5:49 pm)

1) I don't want you on that wall.
2) I don't need you on that wall.

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Vanity (Sep 12, 2011 - 6:09 pm)

Why not active duty jag?

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CleverLoginName (Sep 12, 2011 - 6:31 pm)

I'd like to continue to pursue a civilian career, either in the public or private sector. Besides doing something with my law degree that I believe really matters, I think the experience will make me far more employable.

If I decide that I love being a JAG officer, which honestly seems like a strong possibility, I may well apply for active duty.

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YouGottaBeShittingMe (Sep 12, 2011 - 8:44 pm)

Pay very close attention to the following advice:

1. It is exceedingly difficult, bordering on impossible, to switch from a reserve component to active duty for an officer, any officer, at this point in time.

2. It is twice that hard for JAG and other specialty officers.

3. Anyone who says otherwise - especially recruiters - are lying or ignorant.

4. I guarantee, without reservation, that you will wish you went active duty.

5. If there is any possibility of going active duty NOW, before you go in ... do it. If you hate it, bail after initial commitment. But you will not get the opportunity again.

Prediction: you will ignore the above. Within two years, you will pray for a time machine to go back to the minute I typed this so you could follow the above advice.

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CleverLoginName (Sep 12, 2011 - 10:29 pm)

Care to elaborate? Why will I wish that I'm active duty?

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thecharmingmresq (Sep 12, 2011 - 10:53 pm)

the reserves are INCREDIBLY disruptign. Will your current work let you off for the roughly one year that you will need for basic/OCS/Jag school?
Will they oblige your constant requests for several months every two years for training? (2 weeks a year, one weekend a month? sure, unles you i)get promoted ii) get deployed or even stationed with a unit which will be deloyed even if you don't go iii)are needed)
Additionally, the benefits are much less, the promotion slower (although it *technically* is the same speed, i know a 3'rd year 2LT which is un-fucking-thinkable in the AD)
It will disrupt the shit out of your life, such that you will NEVER be a "real" civilian, as you once knew, but nor will you have the security of being a soldier.
The peopel that make the reserves work are people employed by the gov (state, local or fed). They are roughly the only people who will put up with the incessant interuptions on their employee.
Having said that, no one in their right mind hires Reservists/Nasty Girls because they know what pains they are to staff.
110%, AD or GTFO

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tolietdegree (Sep 13, 2011 - 9:40 am)

Whatever! Third year and still a 2LT? This person must have got in trouble with UCMJ or got NJP.

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CleverLoginName (Sep 13, 2011 - 11:56 am)

So, I've looked into the prospects for transferring into AD. You're right in that it looks very unlikely. However, given their absurdly low acceptance rate, I seriously doubt I'd be able to get into AD now, or at any other point. It looks like their acceptance rate is in the single digits.

But based on your advice, I will speak with an AD recruiter before I accept my Reserve commission, to try and get an opinion on my chances.

As far as disrupting my career, I don't really much of a career to disrupt. I'm at a job that pays dogshit, and is just barely related to the law. If they won't take me back when I'm done with training, I could probably make more money at Starbucks. But, the one good thing about this job is that they're incredibly laid back, and will probably not have a problem with this. Obviously, once I have more details about when I leave, I'll discuss it with my boss. Career-wise, I don't have much to lose.

So, as far as my legal career is concerned, I don't have much else going for me. But I'm not doing this as some kind of last resort. I'm doing this because it really appeals to me.

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thecharmingmresq (Sep 13, 2011 - 12:25 pm)

this is all well and good FOR NOW. but you're on the hook for 6 years. You don't expect to transition into something "better" in the next 6 years? at any point?
Look, it's a great offer and you should take it. but just know what you'll be dealing with

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tolietdegree (Sep 13, 2011 - 12:34 pm)

Actually you are on the hook for 8 years. Two years in the IRR (assuming you signed a 6 year contract). If you don't resign your commission at the end of your 8 years, you are on the hook indefinitely. They can call you back into service after your 8 years. Some of you people need to get your information straight!

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CleverLoginName (Sep 13, 2011 - 12:47 pm)

"You don't expect to transition into something "better" in the next 6 years?"

When I finished lawskool 2 years ago, I did. Now, I think my odds of salvaging any type of legal career, without a drastic change, are small, and getting smaller by the day.

Right now, the best prospect for "real" legal work I've got going for me is a one-day-a-week volunteer gig at a local DA's office. With the state budget being the way it is, the chances of that turning into paid work are slim to none.

On the rare occasions that I actually get to practice law, whether it's contract work or through my regular job, I genuinely enjoy it. It's what I want to do. Obviously, when I tell that to employers at job interviews (and I haven't had one in months), I'm pretty sure that they think I'm just blowing smoke up their asses and telling them what they want to hear.

Right now, I have an offer for a position that will let me practice law on a regular basis, even if it's part-time. It's better than anything else I've got lined up, and am likely to get in the foreseeable future.

And I do have the advantage of being pretty young. In 6 years, I'll only be 33. I know 6 years is still a long time, but when I come out the other end, I'll still be fairly young, and able to apply for AD without an age waiver, if I decide that it's still something I want to do.

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slunt (Sep 13, 2011 - 12:55 pm)

anecdotally, i had a professor who was a jag reserve officer who said he just drank a lot with the other lawyers and did about half a day's worth of work one weekend a month.

i also knew an older attorney who was a jag reserve officer who basically said the same thing.

if you really want to practice one day the reserve thing may help you network too.

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upnorthguy2 (Sep 13, 2011 - 5:31 pm)

Initial training for Army JAGs is about 4.5 months:
-12 days at Ft. Lee
-10.5 weeks in Charlottesville at JAG school
-6 weeks at Direct Commission Officer course at Ft. Benning

The training is the same for all JAGs (AD/NG/AR).
No basic like regular enlisted. No OCS. New peeps are commissioned as a 1LT (with a rare CPT in there if significant legal experience).

Armystrongstories usually has one person per JAOBC class that blogs about the experience.

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ImoothereforeIm (Sep 12, 2011 - 6:56 pm)

Seen anyone like Catherine Bell yet?

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CleverLoginName (Sep 12, 2011 - 7:24 pm)

I confess that I had to Google her name. She's cute, though.

Anyway, I don't think I've ever seen a full episode of JAG.

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tjsucks (Sep 12, 2011 - 9:00 pm)

1) What is the pay?
2) What state? I assume NC.
3) How long and what is the commitment?
4) How competitive was the process? And did you compete with people who did not have a bar license yet or waiting for results?

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CleverLoginName (Sep 13, 2011 - 1:49 pm)

1. In the Reserve, the pay is pretty much negligible, unless you're activated.
2. West coast. There are LSOs all over the country, and the reserve is very flexible about where you're stationed. So, I almost certainly won't have to move. The LSO I've been accepted into is just a few hours away from where I live.
3. 8 years, as I understand it
4. Getting accepted into the Army Reserve JAG corps is far, far less competitive than active duty. The acceptance rate is very high. I Googled a lot of the names from the list of people who were accepted alongside me. Their qualifications ran the gamut from very impressive (top-tier school, several years legal experience at solid firms, etc.) to TTT as hell. I like to think that I fell somewhere in the middle.

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tolietdegree (Sep 13, 2011 - 9:43 am)

OP,

Is it true you are a soldier first and then a JAG Officer. Will you have to go to the frontlines and lead the 11 bravos?

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Schmee (Sep 13, 2011 - 11:58 am)

Only Marines are stupid enough to claim that.

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thecharmingmresq (Sep 13, 2011 - 12:24 pm)

for them, tho, it's not fake. A marine JAG gets teargassed once a year every year just like the joes.
the first boot on the ground during the invasion of grenada was a marine jag

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Schmee (Sep 13, 2011 - 12:46 pm)

That's fine and all, but we're talking about leading infantry troops. Marine JAGs do not do that any more than JAGs of other services do.

Didn't we already have this discussion?

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rastaman (Oct 20, 2015 - 3:47 pm)

Usmc jags go thru OCS I believe. Which makes them just as qualified to lead troops as a usmc AG officer. Neither one is leading infantry troops in reality, but usmc takes leadership seriously. More than the other branches. And I love the army

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Upstater (Sep 13, 2011 - 2:06 pm)

Why would anyone want to do this?

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MasterPoaster (Sep 14, 2011 - 9:54 pm)

Tricare.

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BigSal (Sep 14, 2011 - 9:57 pm)

From what I heat, Tricare is pretty awesome.

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BeefSupreme (Sep 13, 2011 - 4:07 pm)

I read the response from YouGottaBeShittingMe and pretty much skimmed the rest and I'll tell now, as a former JAG reserve, (although 71D, unit legal clerk) you're getting some top shelf advice. I'll add this to what charmingresq said: you'll never feel like a real soldier, either, and even if some civilian higher up deigns to hire you there's a strong possibility that those immediately above you in the hierarchy are going to be - well, let's say 'less than thrilled', with your presence in the organization.

Aside from that, you'll probably meet some great people. Unfortunately, if things now are like they were when I was in, the vast majority will have had prior AD commitments. If you don't, it will almost certainly weigh on your mind.

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CleverLoginName (Sep 13, 2011 - 4:47 pm)

Would you do it over if you had the chance?

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BeefSupreme (Sep 14, 2011 - 4:50 pm)

CleverLoginName, if I had it to do over again I'd go active, just like YouGottaBeShittingMe said. Of course back when I enlisted we weren't involved in endless, pointless wars and our non-combat MOS people weren't having their jobs taken over by Halliburton, freeing them up to get their asses shot up on patrol in some desert shithole.

And kind of like what slunt said, I made a lot of coffee, which we drank on weekends. Told a lot of jokes, too.

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BeefSupreme (Sep 14, 2011 - 4:52 pm)

But if you go, Ft Lee's a hoot. Especially nice if you're a Civil War buff.

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CleverLoginName (Sep 14, 2011 - 5:43 pm)

Suppose active duty wasn't an option for whatever reason.

Knowing what you know now, would you have still joined the reserves, or skipped the military entirely?

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BeefSupreme (Sep 14, 2011 - 6:27 pm)

That's a tough call. In hindsight I liked the military experience and met some great people, but it was VERY disruptive to both work and personal life. So today, as I type this, trying to be honest, I think knowing what I know now, I would have skipped it.

Funny thing though, I just looked up at my office wall and saw my Basic Training Platoon photo. Who knows what the truth is?

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BigD (Sep 14, 2011 - 6:03 pm)

I'm actually considering the reserves. I work at a large firm though, so I'm not sure this will compute with 175 billables a month.

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BeefSupreme (Sep 15, 2011 - 9:49 pm)

Better make sure. Not only is the Reserves a significant commitment by itself, America has decided it currently needs to fight a couple of wars simultaneously. As such, needed Reservists, meaning YOU, occasionally get yanked out of their civ jobs to fulfill the military's needs.

This could mean an occasional weekend handling pre-mobilization paperwork, usually wills and POAs for an activated subordinate unit. Or it could mean your activation. Keep in mind, this isn't about billables during drill week or annual training, this is about how the managing partners deal with an associate who has made a commitment to another organization that is competing with THEM for your time.

They may not like it.

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shammer (Sep 15, 2011 - 2:26 am)

You should look into the Active Guard Reserve. They are liasons between the guard and active duty. I hear JAG AGR slots are available.

Good luck with JAG training. Like most people have mentioned many of my Reservist friends have government civilian jobs (GS) that can accomodate that lifestyle.

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upnorthguy2 (Sep 16, 2011 - 8:32 pm)

Good luck trying to get an AGR slot as a new JAG. These slots are limited in number (and highly desirable). Contact your state Officer Strength Management office and ask for the JAG contact and see how many AGR slots exist in your state (and if there are any vacancies).

Also, these positions are not liaisons between the guard and active duty...
People working in an AGR slot are members of the NG that work full-time (just like the name sounds- Active Guard Reserve). They keep the day to day operations running of the unit, HQ, or whatever that they are assigned to.

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tingmu99 (Oct 18, 2011 - 7:50 pm)

I'm an AD Air Force JAG. I went to Commissioned Officer Training and JASOC (the Air Force legal training for entering JAGs) with a girl in the AF Reserves who just got picked up for active duty. It's definitely not impossible. I'm thinking about getting out of active duty and joining the Reserves or Guard too. As for CleverLoginName, USERRA should protect him from losing his jobs due to mobilizations, etc. His employer shouldn't be stupid enough to fire him due to deployments or military training. I don't think service in the Reserves is going to affect any civilian career I have. In fact, I think my time in the Air Force has made me a much better employee.

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newgslawyer (Aug 30, 2016 - 1:36 am)

tingmu: i have a civilian govt job. i'm thinking of air force jag reserves. what are you thoughts regarding this? thanks.

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therewillbeblood (Oct 18, 2011 - 7:55 pm)

I was a lawyer in the Terran Space Marines, until I was assimilated by the Zerg.

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Vanity (Oct 18, 2011 - 8:49 pm)

Did you get to work the rebels or Mengsk?

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gribble (Oct 18, 2011 - 9:23 pm)

I don't get it. If you actually want to be a lawyer why go into the military to be one? Just be a regular lawyer.

I joined as an officer so I could leave law. The military can't pay me enough to actually be an attorney, they pay all officers the same amount but JAG really doesn't get promoted past a very early level. They start out a little higher but that's about it.

Don't join the military just for a job. Join because you actually are interested in the lifestyle. Which...kind of sucks in the Army so I understand that one even less.

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tolietdegree (Oct 18, 2011 - 11:08 pm)

Define "lifestyle" please. No one likes a lifestyle of constantly getting deployed to a war zone and possibly getting disabled or killed. Also no likes a PCS every two years or to have a TDY numerous times. If you like this lifestyle, plan on being single or getting divorced a couple of times during your service commitment.

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OhioDocReviewer (Oct 18, 2011 - 11:16 pm)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-_c6V0U-4k

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gribble (Oct 19, 2011 - 10:48 pm)

I love that lifestyle. Why do you people want such boring lives? You get to be in shape, face danger, and screw women of all different ethnicities.

I currently make 6 figures and the only thing I spend money on is escorts. There is seriously nothing else I feel like spending money on.

A big house? Why? Fancy toys? Boring. A fast car? Well, my Honda works just fine for me. Some new Apple product? Nah, built my own PC and it works great, and if you want to talk to me just find me.

Why would you possibly want to get married as a male? You'll get divorced or hate your life no matter what anyway, like most married suckers.

Also the casualties and injuries for the Navy are ridiculously low.

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DeerPark (Mar 3, 2012 - 6:32 pm)

Might I ask what you actually do in the Navy to make six figures? what is your MOS (or whatever they call it in the navy, rate, I think)?

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dovesoap (Mar 3, 2012 - 6:47 pm)

DP- Check this out: http://militarypay.defense.gov/pay/calc/index.html

If he is an officer with x years of service he could be making 6 figs

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gribble (Mar 3, 2012 - 7:02 pm)

I don't make 6 figures in the Navy, at the time I wrote this post I was working in the private sector as an Attorney. It's an old post.

Then I disappeared for a few months for OCS and got commissioned a few weeks or so back, hence why I've been able to post again.

I can't afford escorts now, that's for sure. The salary can get pretty good as you put the years in, but it is awhile.

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DeerPark (Mar 3, 2012 - 8:09 pm)

why did you leave 6 figures for the navy?

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gribble (Mar 3, 2012 - 8:47 pm)

I absolutely hated practicing law. I don't think I would have lasted another year.

That's why I would strongly caution someone from entering JAG. I honestly think law is the worst possible profession. The military can be great but to be locked into something as awful as law...I dunno how humane that is.

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slunt (Mar 3, 2012 - 9:02 pm)

what are you doing in the navy?

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missles (Nov 11, 2011 - 2:08 pm)

It sounds like you do some crim, so why not try to go ct apptnd/ solo, and do reserves for health insur and networking? Retirement options?

Why is this such a bad deal? Who gives a fuck it you don't "feel" like a real soldier. You're a fucking lawyer for the Army, not a soldier. Any pussy lawyer that claims they are a soldier should talk to some of my friends who have bullet wounds in their legs. See if they consider an AD JAG a "soldier." lol

Also, an employer firing a JAG reservist will give you a great settlement check lol

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MasterPoaster (Mar 3, 2012 - 6:19 pm)

I was also accepted, haven't commissioned or taken the oath or anything, I just got a basic e-mail telling me to wait longer. What can I expect, and more importantly, what do I do if I'm in the middle of waiting for active duty air force results? Am I essentially uncommitted until I formally commission?

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cyph3r (Mar 4, 2012 - 1:39 am)

Go here: http://www.facebook.com/groups/2212920847/
US Army JAG FB Grp

I did my time in Charlottesville. I actually really enjoyed the experience/training...but practicing law....no way. However, everyone needs an in and there's nothing like saying you were a JAG (notice the past tense)). That, and an internship at the USAG's Office has opened many a door that would otherwise remain solidly closed. Good luck.

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mattn625 (Nov 8, 2012 - 10:53 am)

Did you receive the acceptance e-mail prior to JARO posting the results to the website?

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