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Barbri Unpaid Wages

Barbri only paid for a fraction of my tutoring hours - no ex loser1207/31/17
What "career"? Grading for barbri? Who cares. Did you cas vohod07/31/17
No, for subsequent legal jobs. I was tutoring so am owed sev loser1207/31/17
Play hardball with them. Does Barbri really want a small cla vohod07/31/17
Right. The question is whether it's the sort of thing that w loser1207/31/17
I'm not sure how your state or county reports things, but I cranky08/01/17
You should work with Barbri to resolve the issue. Why are th mrtor08/01/17
and that, ladies and gentlemen, is what BarBri banks on. dingbat08/01/17
A little pressure seems to have resolved it. May have been a loser1208/01/17
You live and learn. At least you got paid vohod08/01/17
Good for you. Learning how to apply pressure without having wolfman08/01/17
So Barbri broke my owed wages into 3 checks, still waiting o loser1209/02/17
I can't imagine I'm the only one having this difficulty. It loser1209/02/17
Good for you, go after them and get your pay. Do you know ot cranky09/02/17
loser12 (Jul 31, 2017 - 7:38 pm)

Barbri only paid for a fraction of my tutoring hours - no explanation, presented as take it or leave it. Invoices were ignored all summer except for when I threatened to walk if they wouldn't acknowledge them - I got a partial payment a week later. I kept tutoring through July, and now have no leverage.

Would a lawsuit kill my career? What are the options here?

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vohod (Jul 31, 2017 - 7:45 pm)

What "career"? Grading for barbri? Who cares.

Did you cash the check they issued? If not you have an account stated by sending the invoices.

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loser12 (Jul 31, 2017 - 8:00 pm)

No, for subsequent legal jobs. I was tutoring so am owed several thousand dollars.

I imagine my name will show up, no?

I'm not cashing the checks. I have the invoices, and will also reach out to my students asking for affidavits if needed. Not the best bar trip surprise, and maybe unnecessary?

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vohod (Jul 31, 2017 - 8:08 pm)

Play hardball with them. Does Barbri really want a small claim or arbitration brought against them for a few grand?

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loser12 (Jul 31, 2017 - 8:14 pm)

Right. The question is whether it's the sort of thing that would make a law firm think I'm the type to sue my employer.

The details make it obvious, but if I was a lawyer I'd probably just scoff at it if I saw it on google. Small claims is also rough in NYC, because they're not based in NY. I think NYC has special requirements for small claims jurisdiction (the defendant has to be an NYC resident?) but maybe I'm wrong.

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cranky (Aug 1, 2017 - 1:45 pm)

I'm not sure how your state or county reports things, but I wouldn't be worried about employers finding out about a small claims suit. Where I am, small claims court info is not available online. As far as I know, there's no website where someone can easily find out all lawsuits and see the files too. BARBRI owes you money; go get what you are entitled to. They pay you but a smidgen of the exorbitant fees they charge and yet they want to rip you off further.

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mrtor (Aug 1, 2017 - 9:59 am)

You should work with Barbri to resolve the issue. Why are they holding out? More likely than not, there is a legitimate reason. What is that reason? Were your tutoring bills excessive? Even if you can document the hours, the total amount of time may not have been reasonable (welcome to the joys of billing, get used to it). Are your bills compliant with their policy and procedures? Perhaps you did not submit enough information. Based upon the limited information provided, it sounds like a strange billing arrangement which would be ripe for abuse. They may feel like you have gamed the system.

Get them on the phone, be persistent. Remember that you are investigating the issue at this point. Accusations will get you nowhere. If they continue to blow you off, draft a complaint and forward it to them to demonstrate the seriousness of your intentions.

Ultimately, I think filing a lawsuit is a gamble. Sure, it would probably get you at least some of the money. There is a certain risk to it, however, especially when you are still searching for a real legal job. Like you said, few employers want to associate with someone who is litigation-driven for fear that they could end up on the wrong side one day.

That said, will anyone ever actually find out? Probably not. Background checks are usually limited to larger firms and institutional employers. Even if it is found, it may not be a concern to many employers who see it. However, what if your future dream job folds over concerns about some frivolous litigation to get a couple thousand dollars? Without much marketable experience or an established reputation, you do not have much value at this point. They could easily select another candidate. Would it really have been worth it then?

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dingbat (Aug 1, 2017 - 1:34 pm)

and that, ladies and gentlemen, is what BarBri banks on.

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loser12 (Aug 1, 2017 - 2:58 pm)

A little pressure seems to have resolved it. May have been a mistake, may not have been. Who knows? The idea I'd have abused any system is unethical. A lot of the students had unused hours that weren't billed for - will they get those refunded? I don't know. I'm honest, and only built the hours I worked. Still kind of upset I had to call about this. I've tutored for many businesses, and have also managed tutors (not bar exam tutors). This kind of thing never happens. With tutoring, the tutor is the product.

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vohod (Aug 1, 2017 - 3:03 pm)

You live and learn. At least you got paid

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wolfman (Aug 1, 2017 - 3:10 pm)

Good for you. Learning how to apply pressure without having a confrontation is actually an important skill (one in which tons of lawyers are completely deficient). Cheers!

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loser12 (Sep 2, 2017 - 7:11 pm)

So Barbri broke my owed wages into 3 checks, still waiting on the last one. No reply. I was told a few weeks ago in a quick phone call that it was mailed but that seems to be wrong. Other times the # isn't even in service. The longer I wait to file against them, the harder it's going to be to get in touch with students. It's already been 6 weeks since the bar.

I'm just going to file a small claims suit, and am going to reach out to the students just to confirm hours to present in court. I don't want to freak the students out but also need evidence so am thinking of just phrasing it as having trouble collecting payment due to a Barbri business strategy and explicitly stating it has nothing to do with the quality of their prep. I don't know how to phrase this without making the company look terrible, but will also have to prove in court that I worked when I said I worked.

Barbri hasn't disputed this but I imagine it could come up in court. What's a PC rate of saying, "Hi, I need to sue Barbri to get paid per my contract. Can you confirm we worked together on a, b, c?"

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loser12 (Sep 2, 2017 - 7:18 pm)

I can't imagine I'm the only one having this difficulty. It may be easier for Barbri tutors to file together - the claims are all virtually identical. "Worked, wasn't paid".

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cranky (Sep 2, 2017 - 11:04 pm)

Good for you, go after them and get your pay. Do you know other barbri tutors in your area? if you all sue together or at about the same time, maybe you'll get the same judge who will look disfavorably upon the co. good luck!

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