Celebrating 10 years! 2007-2017

The $100,000 job: Garbage workers!

http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/24/new s/economy/trash-workers-h lawyeringisfun07/09/17
A long time ago I did martial arts with a guy who drove a ga shikes07/09/17
I'm always amazed at the knowledge JDUers have regarding the bucwild07/09/17
Government salaries are public record so I don't have an iss 2breedbares07/10/17
I guess, it's just funny that JDUers are so interested in th bucwild07/10/17
Most of the salaries and "friends" are fictions of the incre vohod07/10/17
http://dilbert.wikia.com/wiki/The_G arbageman rubbersoul1407/09/17
"They've seen, and smelled, it all. Stale fish, footlong rat trickydick07/09/17
I saw a human leg at my law firm in 2004. It was outside tho johnsmith07/11/17
Had a client several years ago who worked as a garbage truck fettywap07/09/17
Almost all physical jobs catch up w/ the people who fill the cacrimdefense07/09/17
My garbage man rarely gets out of the truck nowadays, he's b tsmonk07/09/17
What lifting? They have a big mechanical arm on the truck th fettywap07/09/17
all these garbageman, plumbers, homoman earning six figures mrlollipop07/10/17
"It's far from an easy job. Beyond the stench, Molina and Sa trickydick07/10/17
Yep. Bolstered by the fact that not one actual person on JDU vohod07/10/17
Ah, it's been too long since we've had a garbageman thread. onehell07/10/17
Onehell is correct, as usual. As a bit of local color, there wolfman07/10/17
I doubt it's possible for anyone with a JD to get hired for david6198307/10/17
Why doesent anyone ever consider how much these jobs sucks! confused1l9307/10/17
Good point! But practicing law also sucks, and you're als patenttrollnj07/11/17
I worked as a maintenance man during college, cleaning bathr anothernjlawyer07/10/17
No mental stress, but plenty of physical stress. When you we onehell07/11/17
Sanitation is a very high risk job, as is truck driving. patenttrollnj07/11/17

lawyeringisfun (Jul 9, 2017 - 10:07 am)

http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/24/news/economy/trash-workers-high-pay/index.html

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shikes (Jul 9, 2017 - 10:30 am)

A long time ago I did martial arts with a guy who drove a garbage truck. I asked him how it was and he said it was the best decision he ever made. This was about 10 years ago, and he said he made $65k, worked 9-5 Mon-Fri, got 3 weeks vacation and every benefit you could think of. He initially hesitated taking the job due to the negative stigma of a garbage man, but when he saw how much college loans were going to be, he decided to just start working at 18. He started at 42k per year as an 18 year old while everyone else took out a ton of debt for 4 year useless degrees. By the time they graduated he was making 50k, at 26 he was making 65k with guaranteed bumps every other year and a pension.

Outside of people who started their own business, he may have been the smartest person I know as compared to the rest of us.....

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bucwild (Jul 9, 2017 - 2:46 pm)

I'm always amazed at the knowledge JDUers have regarding the pay of friends and acquaintances. How does salary/vacation benefits even come up in casual conversation? I don't even know what my close friends and family earn (although I can speculate), and I certainly don't know their work hours/vacation policies.

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2breedbares (Jul 10, 2017 - 12:15 pm)

Government salaries are public record so I don't have an issue talking about mine openly. They can just look me up anyway.

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bucwild (Jul 10, 2017 - 12:18 pm)

I guess, it's just funny that JDUers are so interested in this stuff. He knew the garbageman's entire salary history for last 10 years. My wife doesn't even know my salary history for the last 5.

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vohod (Jul 10, 2017 - 12:43 pm)

Most of the salaries and "friends" are fictions of the incredibly bitter, lost, and darkened souls that poast here.

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rubbersoul14 (Jul 9, 2017 - 10:59 am)

http://dilbert.wikia.com/wiki/The_Garbageman

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trickydick (Jul 9, 2017 - 12:41 pm)

"They've seen, and smelled, it all. Stale fish, footlong rats, dead pigs and cows. Countless drunks have heckled them. And yes, one time Sankar saw a human leg in a dumpster."

Tell me the last time you encountered a human leg at your law firm.

"Nationwide, the annual salary for a garbage truck driver is $40,000, according to the Labor Department."

These guys work out of Manhattan, so when you adjust for COL, this isn't nearly as much as it seems. And when you adjust for wading through used heroin needles, it's nowhere near as much as it seems.

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johnsmith (Jul 11, 2017 - 3:02 pm)

I saw a human leg at my law firm in 2004. It was outside though, not like in the actual office. It almost landed on me. I almost stepped in pink goo.

I also once had a lady hand me a finger in a jar.

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fettywap (Jul 9, 2017 - 1:50 pm)

Had a client several years ago who worked as a garbage truck driver. He only made about $50,000 after many years on the job. He claimed he had bone spurs in his back, quit that job, and refused to work at all, even though he didn't qualify for disability. It must be a pretty bad job, although it's way better than most truck driving jobs.

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cacrimdefense (Jul 9, 2017 - 3:22 pm)

Almost all physical jobs catch up w/ the people who fill them. That was the (major) lesson I learned during my first year after law school. I worked for a firm that specialized in Social Security Disability.

Grocery store employees, forklift operators and other warehouse employees, guys doing construction, etc. etc. These are the people who, if they were fortunate, had finished high school. Their bodies would commonly start to fail them in their early to mid 30's. I saw it repeatedly. Slipped discs, carpal tunnel syndrome, bad knees ... all the things I knew I was likely to avoid, until at least much later in life, b/c I was a newly minted member of the white collar workforce. To be candid, I don't recall a client we represented who had been a garbage man, however, given all the lifting and repetitive motion involved in that job, I can only imagine that line of work is rife w/ former laborers who have picked up all manner of physical ailments.

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tsmonk (Jul 9, 2017 - 11:49 pm)

My garbage man rarely gets out of the truck nowadays, he's basically playing an arcade game at this point.

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fettywap (Jul 9, 2017 - 3:38 pm)

What lifting? They have a big mechanical arm on the truck that picks up the stuff. They don't do that much anymore besides drive. This guy did not qualify for worker's comp or disability. Just refused to work and then wondered why his wife left him without his consent.

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mrlollipop (Jul 10, 2017 - 12:38 am)

all these garbageman, plumbers, homoman earning six figures story. Why don't people, including that CNN reporter just apply, instead of wowing.

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trickydick (Jul 10, 2017 - 12:48 am)

"It's far from an easy job. Beyond the stench, Molina and Sankar lift heavy trash bags every night, weave through traffic, and talk to each other constantly for safety. They work a lot too -- 55 to 60 hours a week."

Those of you claiming that physical labor is no longer a part of a garbage man's routine need to take a look at the garbage men in action on your next garbage day...or at least actually read this article. Manually moving dumpsters and trash cans is still an everyday reality. And consider what you're implying. The driverless car is allegedly around the corner and if these guys really just sit on their ass and push a button, they have zero job security since they can be replaced by R2-D2 in no time.

But feel free to put your money where your trash is. These jobs are hard to fill so getting one should be easy. If they're so lucrative and so easy, apply and post here once you're on the job.

If any JD actually tried to work as a garbage man for even a week, they would be begging to go back to the doc review dungeon in no time flat. Being a lawyer sucks, sure. Hauling around bags full of human excrement and used condoms sucks worse.

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vohod (Jul 10, 2017 - 12:46 pm)

Yep. Bolstered by the fact that not one actual person on JDU has left a small law sweatshop or doc review to plumb in Silicon Valley or handle garbage in Brooklyn or Queens.

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onehell (Jul 10, 2017 - 12:54 pm)

Ah, it's been too long since we've had a garbageman thread. Some observations:

1. Jobs doing this directly for the gov are not easy to get. I'm sure a few people win the civil service exam lotto every year but most people are connected in some way, like families who have been doing it for generations. Article says they have a shortage, but that's a private contractor and they are arbitrarily insisting not just on people already having a CDL, but also a perfect driving record.

2. And as the article notes, these particular guys aren't even government workers, so no pension. They work for a waste management contractor and just have a 401k. Talk to them again in 40 years when their backs are broken and they can't work anymore and they're living on SSDI.

3. As the article notes, these guys are pulling 60 hours a week, graveyard shift, for that 100k, in one of the highest COL areas on earth, and commuting in from Long Island. 60 hours a week and a 2 hour commute each way and you're talking 80 hours a week. Won't be any work from home days on this gig.

Bottom line is that going to college may not mean making more money but it typically means working at a desk and having at least some semblance of a normal business hour schedule.

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wolfman (Jul 10, 2017 - 5:06 pm)

Onehell is correct, as usual. As a bit of local color, there were literally tens of thousands of people taking the sanitation worker (this is what they call a garbageman) exam in NYC a couple of years back, and they award points for being a relative of a sanitation worker (or another city employee), as well as all kinds of other preferences... the exam is also followed by a strength/agility test, not just a physical, which I believe you have to be in pretty good shape to score perfectly on (and there are SO many people taking it, only perfect or nearly perfect scores typically have a chance of being hired... but don't take my word for it, the lists are public):

http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcas/downloads/pdf/misc/sanitation_worker_exam_5001_results_sept_2015.pdf

The Sanitation Department's motto is "New York Strongest" haha

EDIT: I just checked, and there are 68,720 names on that list... note that it's only a list of eligibles, not an officially established list, which means civil service can't hire anyone off it yet... after two years... which gives you some idea of how quickly the process moves.

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david61983 (Jul 10, 2017 - 3:46 pm)

I doubt it's possible for anyone with a JD to get hired for one of these jobs.

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confused1l93 (Jul 10, 2017 - 5:35 pm)

Why doesent anyone ever consider how much these jobs sucks! If you want to work around trash be my guest.

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patenttrollnj (Jul 11, 2017 - 2:00 pm)

Good point!

But practicing law also sucks, and you're also around "trash" all day.

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anothernjlawyer (Jul 10, 2017 - 5:36 pm)

I worked as a maintenance man during college, cleaning bathrooms, taking out garbage, shoveling crud out of pools, working hard and basically getting pretty stinky during the day.

If I could do that for the same hours and pay I make as a lawyer, I'd do it. I think the health benefits of zero work stress probably offset the physical tolls a garbageman job takes on your body, especially if you lift properly and take care of yourself. And who cares what's in a garbage bag; you're throwing it out, not eating it. I bet the smell doesn't bother you after awhile either.

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onehell (Jul 11, 2017 - 1:49 pm)

No mental stress, but plenty of physical stress. When you were in college you were presumably in your late teens and early 20s. The work may very well have been easy back then, and I agree it's nice not to ever have to think about work once you clock out, but when you're in your 50s all that garbage schlepping is going to be hell on your back and joints and who knows what else in a way you probably can't imagine now.

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patenttrollnj (Jul 11, 2017 - 2:05 pm)

Sanitation is a very high risk job, as is truck driving.

So yes, they'll pay you a lot. It's not really really a surprise.

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