Celebrating 10 years! 2007-2017

How did you obtain your first job out of law school?

I got mine through BYU Job Bank. Amazing resource. dharamsala07/01/17
My mom was a debt collector in a past career with a person w vohod07/01/17
I applied to ~500 positions or so before I got my first bite dharamsala07/01/17
While refreshing Symplicity I noticed a newly posted job off junkwired07/01/17
My friend worked at a consulting firm and sent my resume to bucwild07/01/17
I applied to a job ad I found in the bar's paper. Agree that fettywap07/01/17
Basically, outside of BigLaw, ranking/grades don't matter? dharamsala07/01/17
No. Grades matter for a lot of firms, businesses, government vohod07/01/17
Symplicity. 3lol07/01/17
Craigslist after about 600-700 job apps, starting at $15/hr. ipesq07/01/17
Same! Except my boss was having a mental breakdown and yelle uknownvalue07/01/17
Still looking about 6 years out. I am employed but it's a n david6198307/01/17
Wow...that's dedication. dharamsala07/01/17
On campus recruiting. tcpaul07/01/17
Networked into an internship for my last semester of law sch thirdtierlaw07/01/17
Networked into an interview and got the job. barelylegal07/01/17
I sucked the right dick dingbat07/01/17
This is how I got a raise. For my first job, after sending warfrat07/01/17
Used Google to try and find attorneys who were working on Gu kramer71607/01/17
What are they looking for in terms of qualifications? dharamsala07/02/17
All they require is an active bar license and a degree from kramer71607/03/17
http://www.guamag.org/forms_job/201 7/Attorney%20I.AG17-JA10. dharamsala07/03/17
Yes kramer71607/03/17
How's the pay, benefits, hours, quality of life? Will havin dharamsala07/03/17
also interested in what the pay is. We all may need a place cocolawyer07/03/17
They changed the pay structure during my time, so not sure o kramer71607/05/17
Craigslist flawed07/02/17
Lucked out that a retired judge needed a law clerk and only sjlawyer07/03/17

dharamsala (Jul 1, 2017 - 10:19 am)

I got mine through BYU Job Bank. Amazing resource.

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vohod (Jul 1, 2017 - 10:46 am)

My mom was a debt collector in a past career with a person who managed operations at my first firm. LR, honors, moot court, internships meant nothing in the 131 other jobs I applied for.

Read "In Exile" by Chekov. Mortem in circuitu.

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dharamsala (Jul 1, 2017 - 10:55 am)

I applied to ~500 positions or so before I got my first bite. It's a jungle out there.

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junkwired (Jul 1, 2017 - 11:10 am)

While refreshing Symplicity I noticed a newly posted job offer that looked interesting and realistic. I immediately adjusted my CV and resume to fit what they were looking for, sent it, and soon after received an email to schedule an interview. Got great vibes at the interview and was offered the position a week and a half later while at a house party.

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bucwild (Jul 1, 2017 - 11:18 am)

My friend worked at a consulting firm and sent my resume to HR

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fettywap (Jul 1, 2017 - 11:58 am)

I applied to a job ad I found in the bar's paper. Agree that ranking, law school, etc. meant nothing in the vast majority of jobs I applied for.

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dharamsala (Jul 1, 2017 - 5:02 pm)

Basically, outside of BigLaw, ranking/grades don't matter?

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vohod (Jul 1, 2017 - 6:38 pm)

No. Grades matter for a lot of firms, businesses, government jobs. The job you end up in may not be one of them however. My "achievement" in college and law school meant nothing. I am a glorified debt collector who can go to court and write memos of law.

The best jobs are through OCI, OSCAR, or USAJOBS.GOV.

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3lol (Jul 1, 2017 - 12:48 pm)

Symplicity.

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ipesq (Jul 1, 2017 - 12:57 pm)

Craigslist after about 600-700 job apps, starting at $15/hr. Still grateful for that first job as I gained great mentorship and experience in an interesting area of law.
Just wished it paid more...

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uknownvalue (Jul 1, 2017 - 1:15 pm)

Same! Except my boss was having a mental breakdown and yelled a lot.

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david61983 (Jul 1, 2017 - 2:51 pm)

Still looking about 6 years out. I am employed but it's a non-JD temp job.

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dharamsala (Jul 1, 2017 - 4:14 pm)

Wow...that's dedication.

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tcpaul (Jul 1, 2017 - 3:08 pm)

On campus recruiting.

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thirdtierlaw (Jul 1, 2017 - 3:22 pm)

Networked into an internship for my last semester of law school, made myself indispensable, got a job offer.

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barelylegal (Jul 1, 2017 - 6:53 pm)

Networked into an interview and got the job.

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dingbat (Jul 1, 2017 - 9:55 pm)

I sucked the right dick

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warfrat (Jul 1, 2017 - 11:14 pm)

This is how I got a raise.
For my first job, after sending endless resumes to internet postings, I got an interview for an unposted position based on a connection through friends, got the job. never looked back. Left Firm for more money (another unposted job), this was a big mistake based on company culture and burn out, after 10 months, i need out. I can say that in my mid-sized midwestern city most jobs aren't posted. makes it very for new grads. However, in hiring support staff recently, the job market has really tipped in favor of searchers.

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kramer716 (Jul 1, 2017 - 11:17 pm)

Used Google to try and find attorneys who were working on Guam for the Attorney General's Office. Found out that they post everyone's name, position, and salary online. Researched that to find out who was recently hired, and sent them off an email. She sent my stuff to her superior who lobbied for me with the AG to get me hired.

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dharamsala (Jul 2, 2017 - 10:51 am)

What are they looking for in terms of qualifications?

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kramer716 (Jul 3, 2017 - 8:17 am)

All they require is an active bar license and a degree from an ABA-accredited law school.

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dharamsala (Jul 3, 2017 - 9:18 am)

http://www.guamag.org/forms_job/2017/Attorney%20I.AG17-JA10.pdf

^Was that the position you applied for?

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kramer716 (Jul 3, 2017 - 9:31 am)

Yes

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dharamsala (Jul 3, 2017 - 2:39 pm)

How's the pay, benefits, hours, quality of life? Will having clerked be a boost when applying?

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cocolawyer (Jul 3, 2017 - 2:47 pm)

also interested in what the pay is. We all may need a place to leave to if this gets to crazy.

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kramer716 (Jul 5, 2017 - 7:19 pm)

They changed the pay structure during my time, so not sure of the exact amounts, but I can give you a rough estimate.

For 0 to 3 years experience=50,000 to 57,000
For 4 to 5-57000 to about 63000
For 6-10-63000 to about 73000
For greater than 10-Just keeps going but it flattens out around 90K

Regarding benefits, health insurance is fine but the hospital that was there when I was there sucked. They opened a new hospital a few months after I left, so I have heard that is better, but never experienced it. If you need any major surgery, you go either to the Philippines or California. The medical care in the Philippines is pretty damn good.

For vacation time you get 4 hours per pay period starting, so 13 vacation days a year. After five years, it gets bumped up to 6 hours a pay period, and after ten years you get 8 hours a pay period, or 26 vacation days a year.

Unless it's changed, you receive free health club membership, but the choice of health clubs is limited.

The hours vary. I would say most prosecutors are 8 to 5:30, but if you are prepping for a trial that will change. I was there from 7:30 AM to 6 PM most days because I was given the hell caseload, but I was in child support which was a different beast. Most attorneys don't come in on weekends. If you are a prosecutor, they rotate handling the weekend first appearances. If someone got picked up on Friday night, you would handle their hearing on Saturday. The duty rotates, and since there are about 12 attorneys in that division that will probably fall to you about four times a year.

The quality of life is decent. It's a laid back place. Fridays are island wear days at court, so you can wear Hawaiian shirts, no ties, etc. The one downside is you are isolated. I would say take whatever county you are in, divide it's area by half, and imagine sticking it in the Pacific Ocean. When you get on-island, you stay on-island. They do have direct flights to Manila, Seoul, Tokyo and Honolulu, but they aren't cheap. Saipan is close, but that is a 250 dollar flight. This would be my one red flag for people thinking about Guam. Just have to ask yourself if you don't mind being that far away from your home and family. I always took the week off at Christmas to come back to see them, but the rest of the year it was limited to phone calls.

It is a great place if you like the outdoors. They have a lot of beaches, obviously. There are running groups you can join, and they have 5Ks pretty much weekly. They have three malls. You get movies released at the same time as they are in the States.

As for clerking, I am sure it will help you. When I was hired, I was part of a group of three people, and none of us clerked. I do know some attorneys who clerked at the Guam courts, and they came over to our office. You may want to look into clerking at the Guam Courts if you don't want to do the AG thing, but I have no clue about that process.

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flawed (Jul 2, 2017 - 8:11 am)

Craigslist

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sjlawyer (Jul 3, 2017 - 10:20 am)

Lucked out that a retired judge needed a law clerk and only started hiring the summer after my 3L year. I fired off applications to recalled judges as I saw the notices on the court webpage. Got a job about a month before the bar exam.

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