Celebrating 10 years! 2007-2017

4 yrs ID experience in NYC, got offered position for 80K

I'm insulted. Keep hearing about 100K being the going salar prestiiigiousone06/29/17
Insurance defense is a joke vespucius06/29/17
Poll: How many 4-year attorneys would accept $80k to do ID? jeffm06/29/17
Would not based on current circumstances (year 4.5, make low jorgedeclaro07/11/17
Walk away. People make 80k at yr 4 doing ID in my tertiary m vohod06/29/17
OP, how much do you make now? And Vohod, how much do you mak pherc06/29/17
Im not in ID. My friend at a middling ID firm in Minneapolis vohod06/29/17
low 70s prestiiigiousone06/29/17
Depends on type of ID and expectations. 80k low level PI cla 2breedbares06/29/17
billable requirement is relatively low (1900 hrs), a lot of prestiiigiousone06/29/17
Uh, there's a firm hiring a JD preferred litigation paralega sjlawyer06/29/17
That's about the going rate in my section of flyover country flharfh06/29/17
I am in the midwest. Mid major market. I started off in ID a tcpaul06/30/17
how many lawyers at your firm? canon8306/30/17
About 10. I just got really lucky and I realize that. tcpaul06/30/17
It does seem like you got lucky. 137K as a PI associate in prestiiigiousone06/30/17
I'm ID with 1800 billable hour requirement making 83k with p jd4hire06/30/17
how are bonuses determined? prestiiigiousone06/30/17
arbitrary popularity contest. Really no rhyme or reason. I jd4hire06/30/17
Sounds like Wilson Elsner here in CT. From what I understand junkwired07/21/17
I think their billling hours are 2100. attorneyinct07/22/17
That's insane for what they pay. junkwired07/22/17
There are some adjusters who make 80k yytd06/30/17
And there are some attorneys who make 40k. I also think the jd4hire06/30/17
I turned it down. I guess the firm had been expecting a pot prestiiigiousone07/10/17
In NYC thats fairly low. In a secondary market that doesn't shikes07/10/17
80k for a 4th year in NY is low. We pay our first years a li notiers07/15/17

prestiiigiousone (Jun 29, 2017 - 4:38 pm)

I'm insulted. Keep hearing about 100K being the going salary at my level. I thought this was a well-respected firm too.

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vespucius (Jun 29, 2017 - 4:44 pm)

Insurance defense is a joke

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jeffm (Jun 29, 2017 - 4:51 pm)

Poll: How many 4-year attorneys would accept $80k to do ID? Honest answers only.

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jorgedeclaro (Jul 11, 2017 - 2:00 am)

Would not based on current circumstances (year 4.5, make low nineties, way less than 2000 billables). I'd take it if I didn't have a better gig though.

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vohod (Jun 29, 2017 - 4:55 pm)

Walk away. People make 80k at yr 4 doing ID in my tertiary market

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pherc (Jun 29, 2017 - 5:55 pm)

OP, how much do you make now? And Vohod, how much do you make and how many yrs experience?

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vohod (Jun 29, 2017 - 5:57 pm)

Im not in ID. My friend at a middling ID firm in Minneapolis makes $78k 3 years in.

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prestiiigiousone (Jun 29, 2017 - 6:25 pm)

low 70s

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2breedbares (Jun 29, 2017 - 6:04 pm)

Depends on type of ID and expectations. 80k low level PI claims with no billables may not be terrible. But otherwise sucks.

That being said, what experience do you have?

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prestiiigiousone (Jun 29, 2017 - 6:28 pm)

billable requirement is relatively low (1900 hrs), a lot of slip and falls and labor law/construction cases

experience is probably typical mostly motions/discovery/conferences, a bit of appellate work and depositions

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sjlawyer (Jun 29, 2017 - 9:09 pm)

Uh, there's a firm hiring a JD preferred litigation paralegal for 110K plus OT.

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flharfh (Jun 29, 2017 - 10:25 pm)

That's about the going rate in my section of flyover country, where you can still get a decent house in a decent neighborhood for $150k. You have a right to be insulted.

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tcpaul (Jun 30, 2017 - 9:04 am)

I am in the midwest. Mid major market. I started off in ID at $80k with an 1,800 hour requirement that wasn't enforced. If you hit 1,650 you were fine. By my 5th year in ID I was making over $100k. Moved to PI last hear and make $137k. I expect to be making $200k within a 3-5 years where I'm at. The top guy at my firm (besides the owner) makes $500k. The other attorneys are somewhere between me and the top guy. None of us have ownership in the firm.

So the point is (1) $80k for ID in New York for 1,900 hours is terrible and (2) there are jobs out there that pay way above the market rate in the area. You've just got to get lucky, like me, to land the job.

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canon83 (Jun 30, 2017 - 11:55 am)

how many lawyers at your firm?

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tcpaul (Jun 30, 2017 - 10:41 pm)

About 10. I just got really lucky and I realize that.

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prestiiigiousone (Jun 30, 2017 - 2:06 pm)

It does seem like you got lucky. 137K as a PI associate in the Midwest doesn't seem too common. Unfortunately, it seems like NYC salaries in ID-type work do not match the cost of living. Maybe it's because of the glut of law schools. the 80s is what I've been seeing - I've been offered at other firms at this amount.

It is a little more than I'm making now, but I e-mailed the partner that 85K is the minimum I would accept, and I'm honestly not sure if I should even take that if offered. My current job is low stress and I can continue to look around.

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jd4hire (Jun 30, 2017 - 2:54 pm)

I'm ID with 1800 billable hour requirement making 83k with potential for 18-25k bonus this year. 6 years out of law school and this November will be 6 years out as a barred attorney. Working in New England, not Boston. On my third job. Must leave firm life...hiding out in the law library to kill time before going back to get in another 2.0 hours.

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prestiiigiousone (Jun 30, 2017 - 3:10 pm)

how are bonuses determined?

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jd4hire (Jun 30, 2017 - 4:23 pm)

arbitrary popularity contest. Really no rhyme or reason. I'm just happy that I've been on the high end.

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junkwired (Jul 21, 2017 - 4:52 pm)

Sounds like Wilson Elsner here in CT. From what I understand they pay between 75-80k and require about 1800 billables.

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attorneyinct (Jul 22, 2017 - 9:31 am)

I think their billling hours are 2100.

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junkwired (Jul 22, 2017 - 10:02 am)

That's insane for what they pay.

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yytd (Jun 30, 2017 - 3:39 pm)

There are some adjusters who make 80k

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jd4hire (Jun 30, 2017 - 4:24 pm)

And there are some attorneys who make 40k. I also think there are adjusters or "litigation specialist" on the complex lines that do well into the 6 digits. Those litigation specialists are JDs in high-stakes matters though.

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prestiiigiousone (Jul 10, 2017 - 12:31 pm)

I turned it down. I guess the firm had been expecting a potential negotiation but didn't want to make a higher offer until they were sure what I would accept. The whole thing kind of turned me off to them.

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shikes (Jul 10, 2017 - 7:53 pm)

In NYC thats fairly low. In a secondary market that doesn't seem outrageous. No one in ID that I know with that level of experience makes 6 figures, but I'm not in NYC.

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notiers (Jul 15, 2017 - 10:21 am)

80k for a 4th year in NY is low. We pay our first years a little more than that (before bonus). Offering a 4th (even in ID) less than 100k is lousy - you were right to avoid the firm. I interviewed asa 4th year (I'm out almost 10 years) and even back then the offers were 105k - 115k. Keep looking. You'll find something.

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