Celebrating 10 years! 2007-2017

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I was arrested for domestic battery Domestic assault (Dis myson106/09/17
You'll get into a law school. They've let in murderers so yo isthisit06/09/17
No my brother beat me up then my sister called the Police. N myson106/09/17
Eh? Why do you get a DV summons when you're the victim? Also isthisit06/09/17
I was arrested because they thought I started him up but it myson106/10/17
That last one was before I even started college.Ive just tri myson106/09/17
Looking at this completely objectively, there seems to at le 3lol06/09/17
There is probably case law in your state on these issues. G persius06/09/17
The only case law I could find was one of lack of candor in myson106/09/17
You need a 162-164ish to get into Harvard. Most minority a bizzybone131306/10/17
If I was you, I would apply to the Top 20 law schools and no bizzybone131306/10/17
"I have always believed that there are only two ways to be d myson106/09/17
Again, you will get into a school, but you will not pass the superttthero06/09/17
The sexual harassment was not a criminal charge but instead myson106/10/17
If you already made up your mind and will take out the loans vohod06/10/17
I thought one of you was in the C&F committee? myson106/10/17
C&F varies from state to state. So advice for NJ may not be isthisit06/10/17
whats all the sex. harr. about? youll probably get in. defensivelawyer06/09/17
I can't talk about it due to title 9 but I can say that I'm myson106/10/17
Sure you can. You're an anonymous poster on an anonymous isthisit06/10/17
OP read OneHell's post carefully: http://www.jdunderground.c vohod06/10/17
The big problem I've noticed with C&F problems on JDU is eve therewillbeblood06/11/17
Is it worth a $150,000 gamble to MAYBE have a shot at workin vohod06/11/17
Hey, there's always Guam. isthisit06/11/17
No, of course not, but the question here is about C&F. therewillbeblood06/12/17
This is a trick question. Regardless of whether you'd pas sillydood06/11/17
If you really want to go, consult a C&F attorney and make a redemptionsong06/12/17
I assume a failure in one state is pretty much a failure in bigsal06/12/17
It is clear that your likelihood of admission is not clear. mrtor06/12/17

myson1 (Jun 9, 2017 - 8:29 pm)

I was arrested for domestic battery
Domestic assault
(Dismissed)

Trespassing
(Dismissed)

I was reprimanded for trespassing once and sexual harassment twice in my community college.

I was also reprimanded for sexual harassment twice at my new school.

But I have a 3.7 gpa. And lost of volunteer work and extra curricular activities under my belt.
What are my chances of:
Getting into law school and or passing Character and Fitness if I just tell them about all this in my applications?

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isthisit (Jun 9, 2017 - 8:57 pm)

You'll get into a law school. They've let in murderers so you'll be in good company.

Law school isn't the C&F committee. I don't know if you'd pass that. The committee would want to see some time between your admittance to law school and your latest charges. Also acts of contrition that show your renewed good moral character. But you'd need to consult with an attorney specializing in C&F matters with The jurisdiction you want to practice in to confirm.

Out of curiosity, what the hell happened to get yourself charged? You beat up your college girlfriend after she told you to get lost?

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myson1 (Jun 9, 2017 - 9:06 pm)

No my brother beat me up then my sister called the Police. No one was charged. I figure that I'll just say out of trouble complete and continue volunteering at the free clinic or start at a soup kitchen I heard about until the C&F day comes. I was also given a citation for trespassing at the Grand Canyon and just mailed them the 75 dollars.

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isthisit (Jun 9, 2017 - 11:37 pm)

Eh? Why do you get a DV summons when you're the victim? Also how do you trespass in a national park?

What's with the sexual harassment?

I think you'll have a hard time passing C&F but I'm not an expert in this area.

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myson1 (Jun 10, 2017 - 1:47 am)

I was arrested because they thought I started him up but it was a misunderstanding. I made a mistake when I tried to find a way to turn around d after entering the park with a trailer.
With the sexual harassment I wouldn't talk about it to anyone because I was instructed not to by. Title IX officer but if you want to read that I made a mistake I'll write I did. But I've taken a seminar on sexual harassment and volunteered at the free clinic along with at least 100 hours of other volunteering since the initial incident but I'm just going to keep going with the community service til the C&F committee. Believe me I have good grades but they'll see I'm nervous.

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myson1 (Jun 9, 2017 - 9:08 pm)

That last one was before I even started college.Ive just tried to give back to the community with volunteering and will continue. Thanks.

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3lol (Jun 9, 2017 - 9:09 pm)

Looking at this completely objectively, there seems to at least be a pattern of sexual harassment. They're also gonna see domestic battery and couple it with the numerous harassment incidents and it will raise all kind of red flags.

Why throw yourself willingly into a complicated situation? You have a good GPA. There are plenty of things you could do without subjecting yourself to so much scrutiny and uncertainty.

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persius (Jun 9, 2017 - 9:11 pm)

There is probably case law in your state on these issues. Go pay a couple hundred dollars to talk to a bar ethics attorney before you waste time and money going to law school. My guess is the case law is probably more forgiving than the current climate.

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myson1 (Jun 9, 2017 - 10:31 pm)

The only case law I could find was one of lack of candor in a C&F case. That's why I would be upfront and just put up maybe hundreds of community service hours or go to a free sexual harassment seminar. To prove I've done something afterwards plus a 3.7 gpa could prob get a black guy like me into Harvard.

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bizzybone1313 (Jun 10, 2017 - 1:25 pm)

You need a 162-164ish to get into Harvard. Most minority admittees at the super elite schools have ultra high GPA's and OK LSAT's. I know two Harvard Law grads. One black girl got in wth a 3.6ish and 164ish. But your crimina background will probably give you a super weird admittance profile.

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bizzybone1313 (Jun 10, 2017 - 1:27 pm)

If I was you, I would apply to the Top 20 law schools and nothing more. Go to either Harvard, Stanford or Yale OR go to the school that gives you the most scholarship aid. You more than almost anyone else can't afford to fake out $150K in loans.

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myson1 (Jun 9, 2017 - 10:40 pm)

"I have always believed that there are only two ways to be denied bar admission!

(1)being a really bad dude including serious criminal convictions or a criminal history involving dishonesty
or
(2) lying or misleading statements on a bar application / lack of candor to the character and fitness committee"
-David Slepkow

Never been convicted and never lied. It's a collaborative winwin. If I were. Lawyer now I'd say "case closed".

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superttthero (Jun 9, 2017 - 11:07 pm)

Again, you will get into a school, but you will not pass the character and fitness portion of the bar examination in some of the bigger states (FL, TX, IL). I am sure some will admit you, but not sure where.

You will also not be considered for 95% of gov't jobs and all jobs at firms of worth. They will take a DUI, a marijuana possession in college (maybe), undergrad drinking, but they will not take you with multiple harassment citations, no chance. In fact, thinking about it, I bet most jurisdictions will not admit you.

America sucks for people with convictions and the types of citations/reprimands you have. Tough break. Change your name and start your own business, try to hide the fact you own it.

I really mean this with the best intentions, because it is the truth. The sooner you accept, like when you lose a loved one, that your chances at a law career are not coming back.. you can start planning your next realistic steps... because unless you are independently wealthy, this will be the most ruinous decision you make in your life--no doubt in my mind.

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myson1 (Jun 10, 2017 - 1:53 am)

The sexual harassment was not a criminal charge but instead just a reprimanded school response. I am still in good standing with all schools in question and even graduated from one of the two.

I'm in Rhode Island but if I have to go to NY then I'll be moving out of my home state but I want to make. Living. Those kind of charges don't show dishonesty which is the most important charge next to an actual conviction which I have none of.

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vohod (Jun 10, 2017 - 6:22 am)

If you already made up your mind and will take out the loans regardless, then there is nothing we can do but wish you luck.

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myson1 (Jun 10, 2017 - 12:44 pm)

I thought one of you was in the C&F committee?

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isthisit (Jun 10, 2017 - 1:21 pm)

C&F varies from state to state. So advice for NJ may not be applicable to Texas.

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defensivelawyer (Jun 9, 2017 - 11:17 pm)

whats all the sex. harr. about?

youll probably get in.

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myson1 (Jun 10, 2017 - 1:55 am)

I can't talk about it due to title 9 but I can say that I'm human and with each time I made a mistake.

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isthisit (Jun 10, 2017 - 10:41 am)

Sure you can.

You're an anonymous poster on an anonymous board.

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vohod (Jun 10, 2017 - 1:37 pm)

OP read OneHell's post carefully: http://www.jdunderground.com/all/thread.php?threadId=14007


I had no C/F or background check issues and work in a practice area that isn't even considered the practice of law by JDUs real attorneys. Every s-law and garbage can firm does a background scrub now, except maybe an alcoholic maniac running his own office.

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therewillbeblood (Jun 11, 2017 - 8:20 pm)

The big problem I've noticed with C&F problems on JDU is everyone gives up so easily. You can probably get through some state if you're willing to fight at the end, appeal to a court, actually go through the motions.

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vohod (Jun 11, 2017 - 8:30 pm)

Is it worth a $150,000 gamble to MAYBE have a shot at working at an SSDI or Pub Defender county contract shop in Kansas or New Mexico?

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isthisit (Jun 11, 2017 - 8:32 pm)

Hey, there's always Guam.

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therewillbeblood (Jun 12, 2017 - 7:44 am)

No, of course not, but the question here is about C&F.

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sillydood (Jun 11, 2017 - 10:55 pm)

This is a trick question.

Regardless of whether you'd pass character and fitness, law school is a scam and you should avoid it.

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redemptionsong (Jun 12, 2017 - 12:51 am)

If you really want to go, consult a C&F attorney and make a long term plan. Do some research into how courts deal with certain issues. Choose the first state you apply to carefully. Good luck.

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bigsal (Jun 12, 2017 - 2:46 am)

I assume a failure in one state is pretty much a failure in every other state

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mrtor (Jun 12, 2017 - 10:25 am)

It is clear that your likelihood of admission is not clear.

You need to consult an experienced C&F attorney to get a better understanding of your situation. It would be moronic to refuse to spend a couple hundred dollars on that consult while blindly spending tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars on a law degree. If you are not admitted, that degree will essentially be worthless and you will have a lifetime of non-dischargeable debt.

As others have said, there are plenty of career options out there. Why are you playing Russian roulette with your future? It seems wholly and unnecessarily self-destructive (kind of like your other life choices to date). Do you want the "prestige?" Do you to "help" people? Do you want to make "big" money? I enjoy my work as an attorney, but there are even better career paths out there. Career paths that offer better work environments, more meaningful work, more money, and less debt.

Stop romanticizing your hopes and dreams and look at the situation objectively.

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