Celebrating 10 years! 2007-2017

Lawyer-Turned-Cop Taking Questions

Ask away. learnedhand8205/29/17
How competitive was the transition? What age were you genera vohod05/29/17
I was 27 and had passed the bar in May of 2009. The Gre learnedhand8205/30/17
What ranking is your LS? 40?? 75? General range. bizzybone131305/30/17
Tier 4. learnedhand8205/30/17
Thought on LE as a career change at age ~40 with ~10 years p fcct05/30/17
What's "paid very well" ballpark? Did you have connections jd4hire05/30/17
No connections. State retirement plan. Five years to ves learnedhand8205/30/17
And the ballpark is mid 70's with very little OT. learnedhand8205/30/17
That's awesome. I think I'm too deep to make a transition, jd4hire05/31/17
Height? superttthero05/30/17
I'm 6'. learnedhand8205/30/17
I was about to get hired by a PD this year, but the position kretan18205/30/17
I think it's fair to say that most police departments respec learnedhand8205/30/17
My brother makes about $100K in a cheaper city, but it took fettywap05/30/17
***Enter 1983 action DEFENDED pro se***... :-D bakertaylor05/31/17
Congrats. Nice little pension. prodigy05/31/17
OP, why do you think people hate law school/legal industry s bizzybone131305/31/17
Good for you Op. My best friend from law school (class of 08 notiers05/31/17
How the hell a self-respecting member of the bar can transit bakertaylor05/31/17
I wouldn't go that far with the incompatibility w/ respect t lawyer206/02/17
What a vapid load of nonsense. You'd rather no one with true vohod06/02/17
This. LOL. Plus your average policeman does way more good fo wolfman06/02/17
180 massivemissive06/03/17
Lol show where you might be right bro. hank06/02/17
As others have stated, wouldn't you prefer a police officer learnedhand8206/03/17
The NYPD has a policy where the department will not hire you greenhorn06/04/17
Interesting. My department has incentive pay if you have learnedhand8206/04/17
Do you ever get called a pig when you arrest people? Do y 3rdamendmentscholar06/04/17
Yes, at times. No, I try to issue citations as much as learnedhand8206/05/17
Is taking a bullet less risky than a lawyer dying of a stres sanka06/05/17
That and wrestling around with nasty, diseased people all da fettywap06/05/17

learnedhand82 (May 29, 2017 - 9:02 pm)

Ask away.

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vohod (May 29, 2017 - 9:10 pm)

How competitive was the transition? What age were you generally speaking?

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learnedhand82 (May 30, 2017 - 1:10 am)

I was 27 and had passed the bar in May of 2009.

The Great Recession forced me to reconsider my options, and I'm glad I did. I like my job and get paid very well.

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bizzybone1313 (May 30, 2017 - 2:09 am)

What ranking is your LS? 40?? 75? General range.

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learnedhand82 (May 30, 2017 - 3:08 am)

Tier 4.

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fcct (May 30, 2017 - 9:25 am)

Thought on LE as a career change at age ~40 with ~10 years practice experience/military service? Area departments require 25 years for a pension, so retirement around 65.

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jd4hire (May 30, 2017 - 9:32 am)

What's "paid very well" ballpark? Did you have connections to get you in the force? Defined pension? If yes, when will it vest? Does your JD/esq. help you in your job?

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learnedhand82 (May 30, 2017 - 10:04 pm)

No connections.

State retirement plan. Five years to vest.

The JD does help in terms of general knowledge and I receive a pay incentive. I'm also the "go to" guy for questions.

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learnedhand82 (May 30, 2017 - 11:54 pm)

And the ballpark is mid 70's with very little OT.

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jd4hire (May 31, 2017 - 9:21 am)

That's awesome. I think I'm too deep to make a transition, but had I had the opportunity six years ago, probably would have done so.

Best of luck to you.

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superttthero (May 30, 2017 - 9:46 am)

Height?

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learnedhand82 (May 30, 2017 - 10:04 pm)

I'm 6'.

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kretan182 (May 30, 2017 - 9:53 am)

I was about to get hired by a PD this year, but the position got axed by budget cuts. The thought of a nice pension and loan forgiveness due to public service certainly was enticing. The JD actually was a point of praise and consideration during the hiring process.

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learnedhand82 (May 30, 2017 - 10:05 pm)

I think it's fair to say that most police departments respect a JD.

And yes, the PSLF program, is a yuge incentive.

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fettywap (May 30, 2017 - 10:32 pm)

My brother makes about $100K in a cheaper city, but it took about 20 years to get there. Wanted to retire at 52, but can't now because they don't pay anything toward health insurance after you retire.

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bakertaylor (May 31, 2017 - 1:31 am)

***Enter 1983 action DEFENDED pro se***... :-D

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prodigy (May 31, 2017 - 10:22 am)

Congrats. Nice little pension.

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bizzybone1313 (May 31, 2017 - 10:41 am)

OP, why do you think people hate law school/legal industry so much?? In your opinion?

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notiers (May 31, 2017 - 4:31 pm)

Good for you Op. My best friend from law school (class of 08') did the same thing. Ironically I had some connections we were able to use to help him along - but he would have been fine without them. He loves the job and honestly - I can't say I'm not a little jealous of his choice. I make more money - but he has a better job for sure. It's a great move - good for you. Be safe.

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bakertaylor (May 31, 2017 - 10:56 pm)

How the hell a self-respecting member of the bar can transition into law enforcement is beyond me, except for perhaps taking a position in a state attorney's office somewhere OR taking a position in the United States Attorney's Office. Other than that, law enforcement tends to be incompatible with the notion of having any respect for the United States Constitution, in my opinion. The QUESTION: show me where I might be wrong in this opinion?

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lawyer2 (Jun 2, 2017 - 4:28 pm)

I wouldn't go that far with the incompatibility w/ respect to the Constitution. However, I will say that I'd much rather have someone with an advanced education enforce the laws as opposed to someone with just a high school diploma or GED.
Studies have consistently shown that police officers with post-secondary education are the least likely to use excessive force, break the law and have fewer complaints against them. Good for the OP

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vohod (Jun 2, 2017 - 5:03 pm)

What a vapid load of nonsense. You'd rather no one with true legal education be in a law enforcement role? Self fulfilling prophecy right there.

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wolfman (Jun 2, 2017 - 5:12 pm)

This. LOL. Plus your average policeman does way more good for society in the course of his career than an average lawyer.

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massivemissive (Jun 3, 2017 - 11:25 pm)

180

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hank (Jun 2, 2017 - 6:52 pm)

Lol show where you might be right bro.

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learnedhand82 (Jun 3, 2017 - 7:05 pm)

As others have stated, wouldn't you prefer a police officer with a law degree as opposed to Bubba with only a HS diploma?

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greenhorn (Jun 4, 2017 - 12:20 am)

The NYPD has a policy where the department will not hire you if you already have a JD. It's a different story if you are already on the job and get a JD, but you are ineligible for new hire.

Anybody can take the test, but you will be disqualified during the hiring process. Lots of failed attorneys tried going the NYPD and generally made terrible candidates so now there's a policy against hiring lawyers for cop roles.

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learnedhand82 (Jun 4, 2017 - 2:39 am)

Interesting.

My department has incentive pay if you have a JD.

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3rdamendmentscholar (Jun 4, 2017 - 10:56 pm)

Do you ever get called a pig when you arrest people?

Do you ever feel like you're being an asshole when you arrest people?

(Obviusoly, many people deserve to be arrested)

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learnedhand82 (Jun 5, 2017 - 1:08 am)

Yes, at times.


No, I try to issue citations as much as possible as opposed to making a custodial arrest.

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sanka (Jun 5, 2017 - 8:51 am)

Is taking a bullet less risky than a lawyer dying of a stress-induced heart attack?

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fettywap (Jun 5, 2017 - 9:16 am)

That and wrestling around with nasty, diseased people all day.

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