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Law Schools should offer new courses...

It has been an uphill climb for lawyers over the past severa nighthawk05/18/17
"People who attend law school tend to be very smart, very st lifeofleisure05/18/17
"People who attend law school tend to be very smart, very st triplesix05/18/17
They should have a J term on applying for IBR, PSLF, food st vohod05/18/17
There should be a semester dedicated to opening up shop and isthisit05/18/17
Who would teach it? The successful ones will be working 7-7 vohod05/18/17
Models and bottles are keeping the pros from teaching us the triplesix05/18/17
Maybe one of the ivy league professors who spent 1 year in b isthisit05/18/17
During my 3L year, my school tried rolling out a class like thirdtierlaw05/18/17
Those kids probably all assumed they'd get big law or SCOTUS isthisit05/18/17
Haha, not even close. As my name indicates I went to T3 scho thirdtierlaw05/18/17
In my state, those are pretty much the only free CLEs they o downwardslope05/18/17
What state is this? I'd like to check it out. isthisit05/18/17
My law school has a "business of practicing law" seminar. To saulgoodmanwannabe05/19/17
Maybe a semester at sea deal too, where they kick you out to anonattempt05/18/17
How about a class called "How to Start Your Own Firm and Exc nighthawk05/19/17
"Dealing with insufferable opposing counsel," or "Confrontin vohod05/27/17
As a law professor, I can tell you why law schools don't off beaubaez05/27/17
And the majority of law profs have barely practiced law, muc cranky05/27/17
What good would offering these new law classes actually do?? patenttrollnj05/29/17
nighthawk (May 18, 2017 - 1:00 pm)

It has been an uphill climb for lawyers over the past several years. For law school graduates with no real world experience, it is exceptionally difficult. In response, a number of law schools started to focus on untraditional skills classes and the like related to compliance. While not a typical lawyer job, compliance jobs these days are JD preferred. While compliance jobs, unlike lawyer jobs, exist, it is still difficult to get your foot in the door doing compliance.

People who attend law school tend to be very smart, very studious, and very academic in general. However, they are often not business savvy and tend not to think out of the box. As such, a law degree is a worthless piece of paper if one cannot use it at all, which happens far too often these days.

I suggest that in addition to skills classes and the like that focus on compliance, law schools should have skills classes focused on selling items on ebay, Amazon etc. Many lawyers, by default, turn to the multi-trillion online marketing place. In addition to providing lawyers with skills, it can make the law school more attractive to prospective students because people on the fence about the potential of big debt and no job will feel safer. Just like law schools give certificates in IP and family law, they can certify people in online trading.

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lifeofleisure (May 18, 2017 - 2:23 pm)

"People who attend law school tend to be very smart, very studious, and very academic in general."

Let me amend that for you: People who attend law school tend to be profoundly stupid, unable to see the big picture outside of their legal education, and generally lost at sea in their thought-processes.

Now there are exceptions, of course, but very few.

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triplesix (May 18, 2017 - 1:09 pm)

"People who attend law school tend to be very smart, very studious, and very academic in general"

Not my experience but ok

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vohod (May 18, 2017 - 1:12 pm)

They should have a J term on applying for IBR, PSLF, food stamps, energy assistance, and how to verify exemption from judgment enforcement. All critical tools for a lawyer associating with a "small Law" firm.

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isthisit (May 18, 2017 - 1:24 pm)

There should be a semester dedicated to opening up shop and running a practice.

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vohod (May 18, 2017 - 1:39 pm)

Who would teach it? The successful ones will be working 7-7 at their firms. Everyone else will be unsuccessful or from a generation or two prior that operated under different rules.

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triplesix (May 18, 2017 - 1:51 pm)

Models and bottles are keeping the pros from teaching us the way.

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isthisit (May 18, 2017 - 2:17 pm)

Maybe one of the ivy league professors who spent 1 year in biglaw can put aside their paper on reconciling the Power Rangers path of destruction in the 2017 film and Kantian Ethics to teach us how to law.

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thirdtierlaw (May 18, 2017 - 2:34 pm)

During my 3L year, my school tried rolling out a class like this, but so few people enrolled, they ended up canceling the class.

I am sure they could find someone qualified to teach the class. There are plenty of people who have started up their own firm, make 6 figures, and only work a 20-30hr week. Granted most aren't of the pedigree that the law schools love to wave around. But they'd likely be great professors.

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isthisit (May 18, 2017 - 2:39 pm)

Those kids probably all assumed they'd get big law or SCOTUS clerkships right out the gate. So that class would be a waste of their precious time.

Was this a T13?

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thirdtierlaw (May 18, 2017 - 3:02 pm)

Haha, not even close. As my name indicates I went to T3 school. That is what made it all the more galling, I think only 4 students from my class went biglaw and the fact that I had a midlaw offer prior to graduation made me a big deal. I'd have expected that class to have a waiting list, but the delusion was still strong.

At least at a T13 it'd have made sense.

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downwardslope (May 18, 2017 - 8:42 pm)

In my state, those are pretty much the only free CLEs they offer now. They have about 5-10 of those CLEs on opening up your own practice. You're not going to be able to do it until you pass the bar anyway, so might as well wait until you can get some CLE credits. I've also known people who had to switch what state they were licensed in because the rules were different about what non-lawyers could do, so the class would pose problems at some schools if the school wasn't educating people just intending to stay in one state.

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isthisit (May 18, 2017 - 11:03 pm)

What state is this? I'd like to check it out.

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saulgoodmanwannabe (May 19, 2017 - 2:02 pm)

My law school has a "business of practicing law" seminar. Took it last semester of 3L and had to write a two 3-page double spaced papers and start a fake law firm with some other classmates where we drafted an LLC agreement and business plan during classroom time.

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anonattempt (May 18, 2017 - 3:08 pm)

Maybe a semester at sea deal too, where they kick you out to sea in a dingy and you get to preview what utter hopelessness feels like.

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nighthawk (May 19, 2017 - 11:08 am)

How about a class called "How to Start Your Own Firm and Excel at Doc Review" as an elective class? This will help continue the victim mentality so commonly found in the legal profession. This would provide law school grads with a leg up for doc review positions, which are hard to get when you have not clicked on next in Relativity.

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vohod (May 27, 2017 - 9:56 pm)

"Dealing with insufferable opposing counsel," or "Confronting Ignominy in the Legal Profession" were capstone classes I took at my triple t. Both taught by former street brawlers who were African American and Latino respectively. They would tear the door off a Honda Civic without breaking a sweat, whilst wearing their off the rack Macy's suits. They could bench 275 in said suits. What have you done lately?

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beaubaez (May 27, 2017 - 9:39 pm)

As a law professor, I can tell you why law schools don't offer these courses: faculty don't want to teach them. The vast majority of faculty enjoy teaching doctrine in their niche area. Second, once faculty have taught their courses for a few years they don't want to spend time with a new prep--too much work.

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cranky (May 27, 2017 - 10:11 pm)

And the majority of law profs have barely practiced law, much less had their own law practice.

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patenttrollnj (May 29, 2017 - 7:28 pm)

What good would offering these new law classes actually do?? There are still too many people being pumped out of law schools, and even the so called "JD preferred" jobs are getting saturated with attorneys.

Note that lawyers are in direct competition with non-lawyers for these compliance jobs, and the various industries often prefer people with actual work experience in said industries over a law degree. I read that less than 20% of people in compliance actually have law degrees. Thus, what good will taking a class or two in law school actually do? The JD holder applying for the position would still need some exposure to the industry first.

Also, the JD degree (as far as I know) does not have a compliance major or concentration, thus there is nothing on the resume that would draw the attention of someone making hiring decisions. You will have to get to the interview in order to impress a potential employer with your compliance knowledge, and that is no easy task.

Quite honestly, I think all this talk linking law schools and compliance is a mere ploy to attract more students to law school, or to at least calm-down current law students realizing what a mistake they made and freaking-out about being able to get a job. Thus, talking about compliance is the law school saying that "although you may never practice law .... you can always do compliance."

Bottom line: there is ONLY one reason to go to law school, and that is to practice law. Period!

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