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Campbell is trying something interesting to get admission up

http://law.campbell.edu/news_articl e.cfm?id=42884&t=campbell jdcumlaude05/10/17
Why would they offer it at Buies Creek when there are far mo lawyer32106/05/17
Campbell is a forth rate trash bin, did you go there? triplesix06/05/17
No I did not, but I am a lawyer in NC and it does not have a lawyer32106/05/17
Campbell hit a its peak in the 90's when a few of it's grads triplesix06/05/17
If you live in Raleigh, Charlotte, or W-S that may be the ca lawyer32106/05/17
This is the problem with NC. 100 counties, 1100 lawyers bar jdcumlaude08/02/17
jdcumlaude (May 10, 2017 - 12:46 pm)

http://law.campbell.edu/news_article.cfm?id=42884&t=campbell-law-to-offer-free-practice-lsat-exam-on-may-20

The basics of the press release: Campbell Law is offering a practice LSAT at the law school in DT Raleigh.

Okay, nothing crazy about a University offering a practice LSAT. However, usually, the practice LSAT is run somewhere on the University's main campus. Campbell Law is about an hours drive (traffic) from Campbell proper (Buies Creek, NC).

This next part is going down a rabbit hole abit, but please indulge me. Campbell has had a steep drop in matriculants over the past few years, and I think that there is a lot of denial as to why. When I have spoken to members of the administration, career services etc... they have all said the same thing. "a lot of people are not even aware that the law school has moved to Raleigh"[email protected]&% S#!&....

Campbell is using this LSAT opportunity to get people into the school to see the "bright shiny stuff" Hoping that this will in some way increase enrollment.

Campbell has misdiagnosed their problem. The problem with Campbell is not marketing, it is outcomes. 50% full-time long-term employment as an attorney is not worth the cost of tuition at Campbell (39k last I checked).

What made me believe this to be a marketing ploy by the school was the fact that most Universities, even those without a law school, offer practice LSATs or some form of pre-law group. If their goal was to help the University as a whole, why not simply give the LSAT at Campbell University proper in Buies Creek.

Additionally, the test is being administered by Kaplin Test Prep (at Campbell's expense). It seems that if altruism were the real motivator they would have given the test in Buies Creek to current undergrads (but wait Campbell already has their money).

This is an attempt, by Campbell Law, to bolster their numbers. However, the ploy is poorly conceived, as the issues Campbell is facing do not relate to public knowledge of location, but rather public knowledge of Campbell's output.

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lawyer321 (Jun 5, 2017 - 9:01 am)

Why would they offer it at Buies Creek when there are far more college students (NCSU, Meredith, Shaw, Peace) in Raleigh?
Why do you have such a beef with Campbell? You constantly post about it. Do you have a job?

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triplesix (Jun 5, 2017 - 9:03 am)

Campbell is a forth rate trash bin, did you go there?

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lawyer321 (Jun 5, 2017 - 9:07 am)

No I did not, but I am a lawyer in NC and it does not have a bad reputation in state. Of course if you live outside of NC, I see no reason to go there. But, honestly, if you can't get a job hang your shingle. Lots of people do it & have to do it. No degree guarantees you a "job" with someone else. Why still griping about a school you graduated from 4 years ago?

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triplesix (Jun 5, 2017 - 9:14 am)

Campbell hit a its peak in the 90's when a few of it's grads slithered into practice of law in NC. NC legal market is gutted and there is no room for Campbell grads or most other grads when you got UNC and Wake grads fighting over scraps.

The way the practice of law is heading, there is no need for small law practioners since clients don't pay and for those that do pay there is more than enough monkeys to do a trick.

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lawyer321 (Jun 5, 2017 - 9:28 am)

If you live in Raleigh, Charlotte, or W-S that may be the case. There are many smaller cities and/or towns where you can make a living practicing law. And....there are many Campbell and Central grads who are successful. If many of you were too naive to see that all these law schools opening in NC was going to result in many more lawyers than "jobs", I'm sorry. That should have been obvious. The reality is if you have passed the bar, you can create your job, it's hard work. Sink or swim.

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jdcumlaude (Aug 2, 2017 - 3:41 pm)

This is the problem with NC. 100 counties, 1100 lawyers barred in NC in 2013 (the year I graduated and passed the bar). So divided out that is just 11 attorneys per county. However. More than half of those counties have very sparse populations and could not possibly support 8-11 new attorneys each year.

The attorneys that I know who work in these smaller counties in private practice rarely only work in that single county, most are forced to spread their practice out to all surrounding counties, hopping from court house to court house. This would not be a bad deal except that every other attorney is also doing this, resulting in a glut.

The only way to compete in this glutted market weather it be a city or rural area is to lower your price, especially if you are just starting out. Case in point, I bought a house $500 attorney fee. Yes, I checked her work and it was fast and accurate. I also talked to her about how the market was. She indicated that she was not very busy. She was working 3-4 counties.

Lawyer321 to your point that you can "create your job" you are correct, but most of us who went to law school want a career. Campbell actually uses your argument to convince students to attend when other less expensive alternatives are literally only 1 county away. Campbell must be aware at some level that they are participating in a scam. A grossly over inflated price for minimal results. Results which would be drastically different if Campbell's demographics did not include third generation lawyers, relatives of judges and just the downright connected.

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