Celebrating 10 years! 2007-2017

Moving on...

So the firm where I have been working at for the past 10ish legalbeagle04/20/17
Move to avoid the management issues but realize the grass is vohod04/20/17
I'm a strong advocate for hanging a shingle. You can go wor jeffm04/20/17
the hardest part is finding clients... dingbat04/21/17
If you got one year as barred lolyer, start sending them res triplesix04/20/17
Gtfo as soon as possible. I worked at a firm like that when trollfeeder04/20/17
If you have only been an attorney for a year it is very unli tcpaul04/20/17
"How many jury trials?" Consider visiting the dome... The triplesix04/21/17
Nope. He asked "or am I wrong?" He is wrong so I answere tcpaul04/21/17
i was a paralegal for 9 years in this same firm and started legalbeagle04/21/17
Edit vohod04/20/17
I too had a lot of pre-admission experience and I'll say a f notiers04/21/17
no one cares about your paralegal experience aspiretoretire04/21/17
You've cited some pretty basic law and motion and obviously 2breedbares04/21/17
PI. obviously not incredibly complex stuff. sometimes yes. legalbeagle04/21/17
Yeah there's a lot of variance in the quality of PI firms an 2breedbares04/21/17
If it's a toxic work environment, you may want to start putt dingbat04/21/17
legalbeagle (Apr 20, 2017 - 5:09 pm)

So the firm where I have been working at for the past 10ish years has gone through some big changes in the past year that puts the future of the firm in question. They have lost important staff members, and the staff that is left, is young, inexperienced, and likely to bail in 3-5 years, as most young paralegals/legal assistants do. I'm an attorney here, and I can see a pattern where people are hired, they feel under-appreciated, overworked, underpaid, stressed out, and have sought less stressful environments, even taking a pay cut to leave. I know that no firm is perfect, attorneys can be irrational and aloof and this could lead to a stressed out staff. But i really think the people at the top here are overstepping their boundaries and taking things a bit too far. I don't want to get into specifics, but i don't blame a lot of people for leaving. Anyway, I too have considered making a change, as with the rate things are going, i don't expect this firm to stay afloat for another couple of years. I will admit i also feel overworked and taken advantage of, but what am i but a lowly associate (i have not been an atty for the full 10 years i've been here) Plus I feel like I AM gaining the experience i need if i do indeed decide to move on. So, at what point is the stress not worth it anymore? I have a family, and I don't want to be 60 some day and regret not going to the school plays, basketball games and recitals, because I had a bunch of unrealistic deadlines to meet. Thoughts?

edit: i want to add that i am a recently admitted attorney and even during law school i was opposing MSJ on liability, threshold, discovery motions, making motions, also doing discovery, reviewing files etc ETC ETC. I can take care of a case from open to close because of my previous experience as a paralegal. From what I see on here, I feel like I have been doing more than expected from even before I was admitted. or am i wrong? I don't think most 1st years have the responsibilities I do, and I do feel like this is not recognized here. But would it be anywhere?

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vohod (Apr 20, 2017 - 5:12 pm)

Move to avoid the management issues but realize the grass is seldom much greener with life/balance.

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jeffm (Apr 20, 2017 - 5:21 pm)

I'm a strong advocate for hanging a shingle. You can go work for someone else, but judging from most of the posting that I see, no matter where you go as an associate, you are going to work more than full-time.

As a solo, you could make the same money working less than 20 hours a week. A lot of people refuse to believe this, and for them, I imagine it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Good luck. I never had the guts to break out on my own and was sort-of "shoved" into the pool and forced to swim when my boss had financial pressure and had to make a cut.

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dingbat (Apr 21, 2017 - 1:08 pm)

the hardest part is finding clients...

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triplesix (Apr 20, 2017 - 6:11 pm)

If you got one year as barred lolyer, start sending them resumes yesterday.

You know the answer, don't be complacent. Things won't get better. You are probably onto something and the boomer trash is running the practice into the ground and cashing out. Don't be left with **** in your hand and possible liability. But also don't overreact. You seem like you should be able to move on within reasonable time, you have a lot to offer, shop around.

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trollfeeder (Apr 20, 2017 - 7:26 pm)

Gtfo as soon as possible. I worked at a firm like that when I was fresh out of school. I had my concerns and then checks started bouncing.

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tcpaul (Apr 20, 2017 - 11:12 pm)

If you have only been an attorney for a year it is very unlikely you "can take care of a case from open to close." How many motions in limine have you argued? How many voire dires? How many jury trials?

You're grossly overstating your experience and ability. That said, if you don't like where you're at, gtfo. The grass can be greener if you find the right place.

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triplesix (Apr 21, 2017 - 7:14 am)

"How many jury trials?"

Consider visiting the dome... They like people like you there.

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tcpaul (Apr 21, 2017 - 8:57 am)

Nope.

He asked "or am I wrong?" He is wrong so I answered his question honestly. I'm not gonna blow smoke up his a$$. He is not invaluable. He is not indispensable. He is a cog. If he doesn't feel appreciated or like his firm, he should get out. But he should not be so naive as to think that his skills and experience will be more coveted or appreciated at the next place he lands. Someday he'll get there but he ain't there yet. I've seen people get a little cocky after a little experience (and the OP sounds cocky, let's be honest) and it doesn't turn out well. There is something to be said for paying your dues.

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legalbeagle (Apr 21, 2017 - 4:11 pm)

i was a paralegal for 9 years in this same firm and started from the bottom. i've taken are of every aspect of a case, except for actually trying them. so i guess my experience isn't necessarily in court, but i've made motion in limine for our trial attorneys, done the research and could argue them if need be. i've also worked on appeals. all this for years before i was admitted.

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vohod (Apr 20, 2017 - 11:15 pm)

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notiers (Apr 21, 2017 - 7:36 am)

I too had a lot of pre-admission experience and I'll say a few things about that:
1) it obviously helps you - you're not an average clueless first year, you have some experience to fall back on.
2) you still have a lot to learn - the role of a paralegal and a lawyer are still quite different.
3) firms will look at you as a 1st year, no matter what. Pre-admission experience is nice, but no firm is going to seriously count it as an leg up. You're coming in as a fist year no matter what and you'll be treated as such.

I'd start to look around and carefully find a new firm. Don't wait till things blow up. Just be a bit picky, the market for a young lawyer with some experience isn't too bad right now.

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aspiretoretire (Apr 21, 2017 - 11:40 am)

no one cares about your paralegal experience

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2breedbares (Apr 21, 2017 - 12:07 pm)

You've cited some pretty basic law and motion and obviously not every MSJ is created equal. What kind of law do you actually do?

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legalbeagle (Apr 21, 2017 - 4:13 pm)

PI. obviously not incredibly complex stuff. sometimes yes.

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2breedbares (Apr 21, 2017 - 6:54 pm)

Yeah there's a lot of variance in the quality of PI firms and quality of work. If you have a year under your belt, you could play the card of enjoying litigation but not wanting to be stuck in PI. I know people who have gone into other substantive areas like employment or whatever as long as they know how to truly run a case.

I love PI work and high level PI lawyers are probably the best trial lawyers in America. That being said, the vast majority of cases are not super complex and an average lawyer could run a case with superficial knowledge. If you want to move on, you have to show you have skills beyond the typical slip and fall or 15/30 bad faith case.

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dingbat (Apr 21, 2017 - 1:09 pm)

If it's a toxic work environment, you may want to start putting out feelers already, but if you have less than 2 years experience, you're gonna have a tough time finding anything.

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