Celebrating 10 years! 2007-2017

People should retire at 50

With the combination of wealth that is in the world, we all prodigy04/18/17
....I remember when I thought 50 was old...Lol. You really h flo2017bartkr04/21/17
Yeah, actually, with longer life expectancy we should be rem wolfman04/18/17
Clerks are going to be crabby whether they are 30 or 60, it trollfeeder04/18/17
The people in my office over 50 are the best. They are secur elle30104/18/17
I disagree, except for people in manual labor based occupati onehell04/18/17
Amen, brother! Lower the Medicare age down to 50 so all the jeffm04/18/17
There should be no set retirement age. Keep working while y dingbat04/18/17
I think that many of you are missing OP's point. Too many ol adamb04/18/17
"I need to take my niece to a grammar school interview...." anothernjlawyer04/18/17
One of the nasty smokers in my office died last week of lung fettywap04/18/17
At the same time, you have to give the old guys who get away anothernjlawyer04/18/17
Standing up for yourself and not letting jerk opposing couns adamb04/18/17
what if you have to take a sh!t during hearing though? do yo aspiretoretire04/18/17
Adamb, being from Long Island you understand where am comin prodigy04/18/17
It would be nice if everyone was financially secure enough t qdllc04/19/17
why does my "purpose" need to be dealing with a bunch of pap johnsmith04/19/17
Credit. You expressed exactly how I am feeling. prodigy04/19/17
Lol... boomers passed age discrimination laws to protect the triplesix04/19/17
And now with Gorsuch the boomers cannot even voluntarily kil adamb04/19/17
Totally agree. I'm so over people who define themselves by t shitlawsf04/21/17
For a lot of sexless boomers with no life who spent 10+ hour adamb04/22/17
Many older people have no money to retire, 1/3 older America trijocker04/22/17

prodigy (Apr 18, 2017 - 12:06 pm)

With the combination of wealth that is in the world, we all should be able retire at 50, and leave the younger generation to handle things. Old people ruffle my feather and get on my nerves a whole lot. When you get older your ability to perform your job effectively slows down dramatically. However, some of these old hags refuse to throw in the towel, in order for the millennials can thrive.

Wouldn't it be nice that by the time we get to 50 we had enough for retirement, so we can do the things that we desire? It is a pain to see all these elderly court clerk who hops to get to the counter or ignore you for a period of time, pleases themselves, and gets pissed of at you if you don't kiss their a**.

Don't get me wrong I will get old one day but holy cow!!!

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flo2017bartkr (Apr 21, 2017 - 7:50 pm)

....I remember when I thought 50 was old...Lol. You really have no idea how silly you sound, do you? You will...lol [fyi: Halle Berry is 50..😉]

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wolfman (Apr 18, 2017 - 12:11 pm)

Yeah, actually, with longer life expectancy we should be remaining productive longer. Combination of wealth LOL, is that a troll post? But assuming you're a lawyer, you may indeed find out what it's like to be jettisoned from the work force at 50. Good luck eating dog food in retirement! At least the court clerks have job security, unlike lawyers...

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trollfeeder (Apr 18, 2017 - 12:16 pm)

Clerks are going to be crabby whether they are 30 or 60, it comes with the job. If you want, accumulate enough wealth to retire at 50, and then tell us how you fill your day. Most of the military or uniformed officers I know who retire early because they went in early, wind up starting a second career to fill their time. I think the trick is to not be reliant on a steady salary after a certain age, and be able to do fulfilling gigs that pass some time.

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elle301 (Apr 18, 2017 - 12:27 pm)

The people in my office over 50 are the best. They are secure in their positions, so not looking to compete with you... and willing to share their wisdom without being patronizing.

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onehell (Apr 18, 2017 - 12:29 pm)

I disagree, except for people in manual labor based occupations. There should be different retirement ages for different types of work.

But for office drones? With the shift to a service-based economy, the health of your body is secondary to the health of your mind so unless you develop dementia or can't keep up with technical know-how, you should be able to work well into your 70s.

However, the technological progress we have made should mean that we are working less, and more flexibly, throughout our working lives. Think of how much longer it took to create the company newsletter when cutting and pasting was literally cutting and pasting. We can do a lot more stuff in a lot less time. You can answer an email on your phone from the beach.

So I think we should be working later into life, but work should also consume significantly less of our lives. There should be a lot more telecommuting, a lot less "face time," and in general technology should (and is perfectly capable of) making our lives a lot better than it has. For most office-based jobs, this should become the new normal and retirement age should increase. For those who actually do have to be physically present, like a janitor or factory worker, retirement age should go down (like it already has for firefighters and cops who can retire at 20 yrs). For office drones, retirement age should go up but hours and/or physical presence expectations should come way down.

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jeffm (Apr 18, 2017 - 12:34 pm)

Amen, brother! Lower the Medicare age down to 50 so all the Millenials can start taking care of me soon.

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dingbat (Apr 18, 2017 - 1:32 pm)

There should be no set retirement age. Keep working while you're productive. Work less (or not at all) when you can afford it.

I also think we should have job-sharing. Just imagine the biglaw lawyer making $180k at 80 hrs per week. That could be two attorneys making $90k for working 40 hour weeks.

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adamb (Apr 18, 2017 - 2:00 pm)

I think that many of you are missing OP's point. Too many old attorneys and court staff stay in the game because their generational privilege gives then all of the power regardless of productivity or skill.

I often hear at bench conferences old white 18b guys, who absolutely take paying work from younger and often better attorneys, hang on forever to keep cash flowing and to keep busy. Judges accommodate their ridiculous adjournments for myriad health issues or grandkid stuff or whatever. But these guys refuse to retire, and many act surly.

By the way - those same judges yell at the rest of us if we request adjournments for legit reasons, let alone personal and family stuff. Earlier today, for a great example, a judge adjourned a hearing after it had started so an old 18b guy could take off to accompany a niece to a grammar school interview. I am serious. We had witnesses present to testify! No one else gets such privilege.

This type of normalized BS is arrogance more than anything else.

Government employees with safe jobs can be incompetent at any age, but older workers have a true sense entitlement. They act like the weight of the world is on their shoulders any time they must leave their seat or pick up a phone even though many of them could retire immediately with ridiculous benefits that the younger clerks, etc., won't get ever in their newer "tier" of benefits.

I agree with NY's mandatory retirement age of 70 for judges. Too bad it does not apply to all employees -- ADAs, 18b, clerks, etc.

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anothernjlawyer (Apr 18, 2017 - 2:59 pm)

"I need to take my niece to a grammar school interview...." That's hysterical.

The worst part about that is that the interview was probably scheduled at least a week or so in advance. Instead of writing the court and requesting the adjournment ahead of time, the guy just pulls it out while witnesses who took the day off are waiting in the wings and will have to miss yet another day of work.

Judges, adversaries, and clients take you far more seriously the older you get, and older guys get away with stuff that would get a newbie yelled at in open court.

Hand in the brief the afternoon before oral argument? Uh, sorry Judge. No problem, Boomer; let's give you the W and get you back to the golf course ASAP!

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fettywap (Apr 18, 2017 - 3:11 pm)

One of the nasty smokers in my office died last week of lung cancer. She was 73 years old and was at work the day before she died. Deep denial I guess. If I knew I was dying, I sure wouldn't be sitting at this desk.

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anothernjlawyer (Apr 18, 2017 - 3:15 pm)

At the same time, you have to give the old guys who get away with this stuff credit. They've learned the secret that to keep your health and sanity in this business, you basically have to be pretty selfish when it comes to your own needs and schedule. I'm not advocating being a dick about it (if I needed to go to a grammar school interview I'd let the court know at least 2 weeks in advance) but you can slough off an enormous amount of stress by not being afraid to make yourself the priority.

How many depositions have you been to where some Rambo says "let's just work through lunch"? Screw that. When somebody says that, I'll say, "sorry, I need time to eat something." What's the guy gonna do, tell me I can't eat? If I'm in a hearing and I need to take a leak before I start cross, I'll say, "Judge, can we have 2 minutes?" I've never had a Judge say no. If an arbitrator is proposing dates for an arbitration and I don't feel like doing it on a certain day, I just say I'm not available. I don't try to explain or justify why I'm not, I just leave it at that. If I need to end a hearing day by 4:00 because I have a brief due the next day or because I need to pick up my kid, I just say I have to break by 4:00pm; I've never gotten any real pushback. When I was younger, I wouldn't have done any of those things. Now that I'm not brand new, I realize that I can, and it makes life much easier.

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adamb (Apr 18, 2017 - 4:21 pm)

Standing up for yourself and not letting jerk opposing counsel control things is one thing.

Feeling entitled because the boomer clique covers for each other at the expense of everyone else is BS.

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aspiretoretire (Apr 18, 2017 - 5:22 pm)

what if you have to take a sh!t during hearing though? do you request a solid 15 minute recess?

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prodigy (Apr 18, 2017 - 5:28 pm)

Adamb, being from Long Island you understand where am coming from. The old white boys club is a tough group to work with. Some are set in there 1859 ways legal outdated and hate on newbies, particularly being from another country, I get how dare you tell me how the law of the United States operates and should be applied. You get that look down the nose.

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qdllc (Apr 19, 2017 - 9:43 am)

It would be nice if everyone was financially secure enough to be forced to "retire" at 50 and what they choose to do with their time (new job, volunteer, etc.) is up to them, but the simple fact is that a lot of people have no way to define who they are outside of their occupation...not only do they work until they die, if they retire, they sometimes die shortly afterward.

Without a purpose, why bother getting up in the morning?

However, we don't live in such a world, and even people who could retire at 50 are hesitant solely because they could be one hospital visit from losing their savings or can't be sure they have enough to carry them to death without going on welfare to survive.

I do understand the OP's position, though. There are people who really should be retired so the younger generation has a place in the workforce, but with the shrinking job market and expanding number of qualified and under/unemployed workers, anyone with a job is foolish to just retire because they hit a given age.

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johnsmith (Apr 19, 2017 - 12:24 pm)

why does my "purpose" need to be dealing with a bunch of paperwork involving someone else's legal matter?

Couldn't my purpose be to paint, or write songs, or relax and watch the sunset? Shouldn't people be able to actually enjoy life at some point?

you work hard in high school so you can go to a good college, you work hard in college to get into law school, you work hard so you can afford to retire someday. Then, finally after a life of hard work you get to retire. you then get to spend a few years feeling sick, tired, weak, and old. then you die. What was all the hard work for?

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prodigy (Apr 19, 2017 - 6:34 pm)

Credit. You expressed exactly how I am feeling.

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triplesix (Apr 19, 2017 - 12:30 pm)

Lol... boomers passed age discrimination laws to protect their incompetent selves just to milk the system longer. Get real, OP. We need death panels but black jesus could not even do that right. ACA fail.

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adamb (Apr 19, 2017 - 6:50 pm)

And now with Gorsuch the boomers cannot even voluntarily kill themselves with help. He is very against that because of abstract natural rights or something.

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shitlawsf (Apr 21, 2017 - 8:00 pm)

Totally agree. I'm so over people who define themselves by their jobs. However, most people don't have the foresight to prepare for it.

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adamb (Apr 22, 2017 - 2:31 pm)

For a lot of sexless boomers with no life who spent 10+ hours a day at work for decades - work is their life.

I refuse to go down that road. I scan out of our building at exactly 5pm every day. Yet, I see these guys in their 20s stay late *every* day - even Friday - regardless of workload. Some are nice and cute too. So weird, but very white-collar America. Me and the hot chick leave on the dot because we have lives (except when on trial). I tell the younger guys to go to a club, have fun, don't waste youth and life in the office.

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trijocker (Apr 22, 2017 - 4:52 pm)

Many older people have no money to retire, 1/3 older Americans.
Or in this profession, people took out 200k in law school loans that ballooned to 400k.
Who wouldn't want to retire? They cannot afford to, that's why people have to work until death.

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