Celebrating 10 years! 2007-2017

Guy Burns his Law School Legislative Practice Certificate

LOL - https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/triu mph-my-last-student 6figuremistake04/13/17
"A lot of people - Baby Boomers, especially - like to say th qdllc04/13/17
That last sentence is very true. That's a reason to not del jeffm04/13/17
He *only* had 90k in debt and it took him 11 years to pay it flharfh04/13/17
Law school success by most official metrics haha triplesix04/13/17
"If you're a T14 grad with 200k in student loan debt, you ha therewillbeblood04/14/17
Iron in em words. it is likely that that person will have fa triplesix04/14/17
^For the school, not the students. soupcansham04/14/17
To be fair about 25-33% of them loans are spent on students triplesix04/14/17
"I took a temp job in a factory. Manual labor. Irony and Gre jeffm04/13/17
But sadly true. Want to make money, be a plumber or electri qdllc04/14/17
We complaining attorneys tend to take for granted the niceti themapmaster04/14/17
Kind of apples to oranges there. A meat packing plant is qdllc04/14/17
6figuremistake (Apr 13, 2017 - 11:15 am)

LOL - https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/triumph-my-last-student-loan-payment-steven-waechter

It's bad enough that law schools are publicly subsidized scams in general, but I had forgotten how they seek to compound the scam by charging extra for additional certificates, "externships" (aka - you pay to work), and study abroad programs where you learn about "art law" in Italy or something equally ridiculous.

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qdllc (Apr 13, 2017 - 11:52 am)

"A lot of people - Baby Boomers, especially - like to say things like “they can’t take your degree away from you.” It’s true, but only in a very narrow, very literal way. Nobody is going to de-credential you, or repossess your diplomas or anything like that. But, you go to a job interview, and…. “Yes, I see that you have this degree…. (interviewer sucks air through teeth)... but, it was kind of a long time ago, and you haven’t really been using it...”

Poof! It’s gone! Your student loan debt remains!"

This is so true for most all education. It became apparent after 2008 when graduates who were not in a job within their field of education were being passed over for more recent graduates. Like it or not, your "education" is only good for 12-24 months before you're considered either "obsolete" or "faulty" as you didn't land a job right out of school in your chosen field.

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jeffm (Apr 13, 2017 - 12:30 pm)

That last sentence is very true. That's a reason to not delay too long in hanging a shingle if finding a job isn't panning-out. That way, you can make it look like you gave it a shot and found out how hard it is. That's a lot better than doing nothing but sending out resumes. Even if a new attorney flunked solo practice, you can't say they don't have initiative, plus, they should have some experience by that point. It helps keep you in the network. AdamB is a good example of that.

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flharfh (Apr 13, 2017 - 12:20 pm)

He *only* had 90k in debt and it took him 11 years to pay it off. He even worked as an actual lawyer for a time.

God help the Charlotte or Cooley grad with 200k in student loan debt.

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triplesix (Apr 13, 2017 - 12:25 pm)

Law school success by most official metrics haha

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therewillbeblood (Apr 14, 2017 - 9:21 am)

"If you're a T14 grad with 200k in student loan debt, you have a problem. If you're a Charlotte or Cooley grad with 200k in student loan debt, the lender has a problem."

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triplesix (Apr 14, 2017 - 9:48 am)

Iron in em words. it is likely that that person will have family/smarts/luck to cover at least principal over the life time of the loan. Cooley degree is taxpayer charity.

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soupcansham (Apr 14, 2017 - 11:20 am)

^For the school, not the students.

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triplesix (Apr 14, 2017 - 11:25 am)

To be fair about 25-33% of them loans are spent on students balling ie living expenses but otherwise I agree.

I still remember a chick in law school saying to me that she can't live a place "like this" bc she is concerned about her safety. Solid lolz, I didn't realize that one must live in a gated luxury community to feel safe in this great country.

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jeffm (Apr 13, 2017 - 12:37 pm)

"I took a temp job in a factory. Manual labor. Irony and Greek tragedy right there… go to law school out of fear of manual labor, and then manual labor became the only job I could get. Divine punishment for slacking and cowardice."

Ha ha! The guy's a good writer.

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qdllc (Apr 14, 2017 - 8:21 am)

But sadly true. Want to make money, be a plumber or electrician...or anything that CAN'T be outsourced and gives you the option to be self-employed. You might not get "rich" but you aren't going into a business with insane overhead and mindless hoops to jump just to continue working.

The three D's. Dirty, Dangerous & Demeaning/Demanding. Any job that most would rather avoid often pays very well...especially if there's overtime. Cushy office jobs pay so little because so many seek after them.

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themapmaster (Apr 14, 2017 - 1:43 pm)

We complaining attorneys tend to take for granted the niceties of having an office job. If we ever had to work hard labor in a meat packing plant, we would complain less melodramatically.

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qdllc (Apr 14, 2017 - 2:27 pm)

Kind of apples to oranges there.

A meat packing plant is hard labor, but it's largely unskilled...hence low pay and lousy work conditions. Other hard labor jobs pay very well because it requires a skill set most don't have and the employer isn't going to teach and few will accept the work conditions.

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