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Document Review in Austin

Trying to catch on in DC and Charlotte with a document revie kramer71602/10/17
From my experience, the rates in Austin are very low. If I r flashback02/12/17
You are correct, sir. The jobs I have found have it at $22 a kramer71602/12/17
Why aren't you looking in NYC? The only people I knew who d wolfman02/12/17
Money. If I could find a cheap, reasonable short-term lease kramer71602/12/17
Austin isn't really known for cheap rent by Texas standards. barelylegal02/12/17
Fair enough. Austin is the plan C anyway, but if I can't fin kramer71602/12/17
Sorry, this may be a stupid ?, but I hope someone can help. kramer71602/13/17
You are likely getting on. triplesix02/13/17
Excellent. Appreciate it. I am assuming Triplesix is meant a kramer71602/13/17
Actually no haha But it would be uncouth to explain the o triplesix02/13/17
Conflicts forms are usually, albeit not always, filled out a wolfman02/13/17
I appreciate the information. Ideally, I just need one short kramer71602/14/17
If you land a project, don't ask for time off, work the hour dieter02/14/17
Yeah, I don't take time off unless I earned vacation time, b kramer71602/15/17
It really depends. I've worked with computers just set up on wolfman02/15/17
Thank you for the tip. When I started at my last job, I was kramer71602/16/17
kramer716 (Feb 10, 2017 - 7:40 pm)

Trying to catch on in DC and Charlotte with a document review position, but in case they fall through. Has anyone done it in Austin? Have seen a few ads on the Posse site, so I put in applications. I have heard good things about the city, so wouldn't mind biding my time there while I wait for the Fed hiring freeze to expire.

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flashback (Feb 12, 2017 - 12:57 pm)

From my experience, the rates in Austin are very low. If I remember correctly, the rates are around $18-$22 per hour for licensed attorneys.

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kramer716 (Feb 12, 2017 - 1:13 pm)

You are correct, sir. The jobs I have found have it at $22 an hour.

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wolfman (Feb 12, 2017 - 2:07 pm)

Why aren't you looking in NYC? The only people I knew who did doc review in TX were in Houston or Dallas, not Austin btw.

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kramer716 (Feb 12, 2017 - 2:29 pm)

Money. If I could find a cheap, reasonable short-term lease in NYC I would, but not finding a cheap reasonable short-term lease in NYC, so would rather take a short-term job in a city with lower cost of housing and build up the savings. Also in the case of Austin, I wouldn't mind living in the city.

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barelylegal (Feb 12, 2017 - 3:47 pm)

Austin isn't really known for cheap rent by Texas standards.

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kramer716 (Feb 12, 2017 - 5:01 pm)

Fair enough. Austin is the plan C anyway, but if I can't find anything in DC or Charlotte then I wouldn't mind Austin. I know DC's rent isn't cheap either, but when the damn hiring freeze is lifted I am hoping to move to the VA, and I really don't want to move much if I don't have to.

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kramer716 (Feb 13, 2017 - 1:13 pm)

Sorry, this may be a stupid ?, but I hope someone can help. I have never done Document Review before so not sure how the hiring process usually goes. I filled out a conflicts form for a firm in DC. Does this mean I am probably getting the job, or is this just a routine thing that means nothing. Any help is greatly appreciated.

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triplesix (Feb 13, 2017 - 1:25 pm)

You are likely getting on.

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kramer716 (Feb 13, 2017 - 1:41 pm)

Excellent. Appreciate it. I am assuming Triplesix is meant as a reference to Satan, so I have to say you are one of the nicest antichrists I have come across:) Sorry sorry. Thank you again

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triplesix (Feb 13, 2017 - 1:46 pm)

Actually no haha

But it would be uncouth to explain the origin of the handle in this safe space.

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wolfman (Feb 13, 2017 - 5:03 pm)

Conflicts forms are usually, albeit not always, filled out after they submit your name initially, so this is a good sign.

However, if you are going to do doc review, you need to remember that uncertainty is the name of the game: you are not really on the project, and/or the project isn't really a go unless and until you are literally sitting behind a computer and clicking through documents (and that can end at any point - like, literally, someone could walk in and tell you to go home, or you could get an e-mail not to come in).

This isn't malicious - but clients give little information to firms, firms give nearly no information to subcontractors, and subcontractors hoard what little information they have, even from their own employees/QCs (who are often not real employees) and thus keep reviewers in the dark.

If you always regard everything in doc review as completely uncertain and chaotic, you'll save yourself a lot of grief in the long run. It's a lot better to really internalize the fact that everything is uncertain, and if people tell you otherwise, they are lying - which is to be expected.

I did doc review for two and a half years, and saw numerous people freak out due to the uncertainty, and was largely able to keep going by adopting an attitude of "there will be water, if God wills it, and we will drink it, if God wills it," as far as everything to do with project staffing, timing, and duration.

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kramer716 (Feb 14, 2017 - 2:27 pm)

I appreciate the information. Ideally, I just need one short-term job until the hiring freeze is lifted, but worse comes to worst I will do document review for a few months. I am just trying to figure out the process, so good know that it's a good sign to fill out the conflicts form.

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dieter (Feb 14, 2017 - 4:14 pm)

If you land a project, don't ask for time off, work the hours they expect (if OT is available, take it), figure out the production that's expected of each of you, and exceed it by 5-10%. Work too fast, they'll get suspicious and audit you. Then you're on their radar, and that's a bad place to be on doc review. Work too slow, they'll can you too. Don't complain, and don't gossip. I always hated the gossips and dramatic ones on doc-review projects.

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kramer716 (Feb 15, 2017 - 3:17 pm)

Yeah, I don't take time off unless I earned vacation time, but if the job is just for a few months, then I will work every day. When I left my last job, I had hundreds of hours in sick leave because I didn't take a sick day in five years. I will happily take OT. Appreciate the advice regarding production. I am not a complainer, and at the last job, I would be the one who covered for everyone else. I just like to keep my head down and work.

Last question, how are the rooms usually set up. Are the attorneys often in cubicles? Are they just a bunch of computers set up on long tables? I am sure each place is different but just trying to get a general idea.

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wolfman (Feb 15, 2017 - 4:02 pm)

It really depends. I've worked with computers just set up on long tables, and it blows but you get used to out. You usually get a small "cube" or at least some sort of partition on the sides, but not always. The better places have workstations with partitions, so you're sort of in a cube, but not really. Try to get a place in the back facing the door if you have a choice - sometimes you don't.

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kramer716 (Feb 16, 2017 - 4:44 pm)

Thank you for the tip. When I started at my last job, I was the last of three attorneys who was hired within a month. I was given all the hand-me-downs that no one else wanted, so I worked on a card table for three years. I can do either one, so semi-cubicles or long tables are fine.

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