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States with easy moral character requirements?

Hello. Apparently Florida is a notoriously stringent stat contemplativestudent02/05/17
I don't know but that thread title is beautiful. triplesix02/06/17
Traffic tickets, so long as you took care of them (paid, suc rainsofcastamere02/06/17
traffic tickets are generally not a big deal, so long as the dingbat02/06/17
Only filled out character and fitness forms for two jurisdic kramer71602/06/17
My buddy got hung up for quite a while w/ NY & NJ due to a r jd4hire02/06/17
So did you steal something from a previous employer or commi karlfarbman02/07/17
Following Karl's train of thought if the above is remotely t mtobeinf02/07/17
contemplativestudent (Feb 5, 2017 - 7:12 pm)

Hello.

Apparently Florida is a notoriously stringent state when it comes to character and fitness.

Which states are notoriously not very picky? It seems all would be quick to deny someone with a history of fraud. I'm thinking more along the lines of turning the other cheek with regards to multiple traffic tickets, only interested in recent employment history (rather than an entire history), etc.

I'm not looking for scientific answers, just random abstract opinions. Asking for a friend.

Thanks!

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triplesix (Feb 6, 2017 - 8:29 am)

I don't know but that thread title is beautiful.

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rainsofcastamere (Feb 6, 2017 - 8:58 am)

Traffic tickets, so long as you took care of them (paid, successfully challenged, etc.) and disclose them, very rarely cause any issue at all.

I'm only barred in one state so YMMV, but it's hard to imagine a bar application that didn't request your entire employment history. Why would you not want to provide that?

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dingbat (Feb 6, 2017 - 9:58 am)

traffic tickets are generally not a big deal, so long as they're all paid/discharged, disclosed, and not indicative of other problems, such as getting 10 speeding tickets in a week, lots of reckless driving, or DUIs.

From my experience with 4 different bar applications, New York's C&F is by far the easiest. Compared to what I had to go through with other states, it's almost a joke. They were the only state with no follow up questions, the only state that didn't require additional paperwork, the state requiring the least amount of references, and the thinnest application.

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kramer716 (Feb 6, 2017 - 10:29 am)

Only filled out character and fitness forms for two jurisdictions, Pennsylvania and Guam. I had zero issue with Pennsylvania. I filled out the form and didn't have to do any follow-ups. I had to have three back and forths with the investigator in Madison when I was on Guam. That was a bit of a pain considering everything had to be done by fax.

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jd4hire (Feb 6, 2017 - 10:56 am)

My buddy got hung up for quite a while w/ NY & NJ due to a refusal to blow charge. Not sure if it was really the C&F or my friend's lack of follow through.

Friend was allowed into Florida with a lot of credit card issues - off to collections and what not.

Friend not allowed into FL for possession of ecstasy charge (happened while in law school).

Buddy allowed into IL with possession of MJ, mushrooms, and DUI.

Friend allowed into MA/RI with hefty criminal background including fraud and uttering a forged document (in their teens, but nontheless). In addition, two possession of MJ charges and some other stupid things. I think it required some back and forth with both jurisdictions, but they ultimately let her in.

I think a lot can depend on the C&F examiner you get.

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karlfarbman (Feb 7, 2017 - 8:23 am)

So did you steal something from a previous employer or commit fraud there and you're trying to find the easiest state? Traffic tickets aren't a concern anywhere and I'm not sure why previous employment would scare you assuming it was legal. Maybe working at a head shop or strip club would raise eyebrows but even so I'm not sure a state bar would legitimately make an issue of it.

That said, as a general rule they look for things involving dishonesty and also how recent any transgressions are. Drugs and alcohol if not recent aren't usually a big deal and I've seen more than one person with a DUI in college or in law school get in NY and VA without that much hassle.

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mtobeinf (Feb 7, 2017 - 9:38 am)

Following Karl's train of thought if the above is remotely true, I'm not sure I want you licensed. Attys have enough of a bad name as it is.

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