Celebrating 10 years! 2007-2017

Feel like a cog.

I joined a mid sized ID firm in NYC. First liability gig out nofaultkillself02/04/17
I didn't. I got out. You should do the same. ID is a miserab tcpaul02/04/17
Same. Moved on to greener pastures and never looked back. mtobeinf02/04/17
Move over to the plaintiff's side. parlance02/04/17
You feel like a cog because you are one. Switch sides or pra isthisit02/04/17
What are the downsides of plaintiff's work? How likely could nofaultkillself02/04/17
IMO I'd choose plaintiffs' side over defense side 7 days of 2breedbares02/05/17
I went from ID to plaintiff's side. It's awesome. Wish I had tcpaul02/04/17
Just make sure you get in at a thriving plaintiff's firm. Sm tcpaul02/05/17
I wouldnt be so quick to glorify plaintiffs work. Good cases mtbislife02/05/17
I wouldnt be so quick to glorify plaintiffs work. Good cases mtbislife02/05/17
You don't know what the f_ck you're talking about. tcpaul02/05/17
Please elaborate. isthisit02/05/17
Yeah, nothing says legit trial attorney like trip and fall a mtbislife02/05/17
Anybody that has the balls to try cases, no matter how big o tcpaul02/05/17
I know what he meant by using me as an example. I agree w jeffm02/06/17
This was unnecessary. Sorry. tcpaul02/06/17
Is a move to plaintiff side a 'reset' button in terms of sal nofaultkillself02/05/17
It doesn't have to be. I saw a huge bump in salary when I ma tcpaul02/05/17
"You have to not give a f_ck about what people think." In jeffm02/06/17
Zero prestige. You'll get called an ambulance chaser. Even y tcpaul02/06/17
He means people don't view plaintiff PI work as a glamorous parlance02/07/17
Obviously there are times when liability is clear, the injur mtbislife02/07/17
LOL, so you would sit on your hands and wait around for that parlance02/07/17
Stop trying to justify working in a crappy area of law, you mtbislife02/07/17
Ostensibly, this was about next moves for a slip and fall la nofaultkillself02/07/17
I've got some dogs but the majority of my cases, even the lo tcpaul02/07/17
I'm guessing he means some folks think of the plaintiff bar nofaultkillself02/06/17

nofaultkillself (Feb 4, 2017 - 4:44 pm)

I joined a mid sized ID firm in NYC. First liability gig out of No Fault.

How do people cope with the feeling that it's all for naught, that every .2 of their workday must be accounted for? How do they do it for years?

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tcpaul (Feb 4, 2017 - 7:17 pm)

I didn't. I got out. You should do the same. ID is a miserable way to go through our one life.

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mtobeinf (Feb 4, 2017 - 7:18 pm)

Same. Moved on to greener pastures and never looked back.

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parlance (Feb 4, 2017 - 7:54 pm)

Move over to the plaintiff's side.

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isthisit (Feb 4, 2017 - 9:04 pm)

You feel like a cog because you are one. Switch sides or practice.

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nofaultkillself (Feb 4, 2017 - 10:18 pm)

What are the downsides of plaintiff's work? How likely could I lateral into transactional work? I've been out of school 9 years and have only litigation experience.

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2breedbares (Feb 5, 2017 - 12:33 am)

IMO I'd choose plaintiffs' side over defense side 7 days of the week unless you have social anxiety. That being said, the downsides compared to defense side are:

The clients can often be unreasonable and have delusional expectations.

If you are running your own plaintiffs' shop, there's a cash flow issue starting out. You will have to work and live lean.

Wider variance in salaries.

If your firm is cheap, then you may end up doing a lot of admin or secretarial tasks.

Extremely unlikely to lateral into transactional work at this point unless you get your own clients.

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tcpaul (Feb 4, 2017 - 11:28 pm)

I went from ID to plaintiff's side. It's awesome. Wish I had done it long ago. I seriously considered quitting law when I was doing ID. Now I love it.

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tcpaul (Feb 5, 2017 - 8:28 am)

Just make sure you get in at a thriving plaintiff's firm. Smaller shops can be settlement mills. Check to see which places actually try cases. This will tell you many things. First, they aren't afraid to try cases and likely have legit trial attorneys. Second, it tells you that they are well-funded and have the resources to go the distance on a case.

Plaintiff's law feels like a game compared to ID. Imagine having a career that feels like a game. It's a lot of fun.

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mtbislife (Feb 5, 2017 - 11:52 am)

I wouldnt be so quick to glorify plaintiffs work. Good cases only come around every so often and when you are new at a firm you wont be handling them. Its typically some soft tissue bs or questionable liability. If you are cool with that then go for it, but as jeffm wrote in his guide its extracting nuisance money.

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mtbislife (Feb 5, 2017 - 11:52 am)

I wouldnt be so quick to glorify plaintiffs work. Good cases only come around every so often and when you are new at a firm you wont be handling them. Its typically some soft tissue bs or questionable liability. If you are cool with that then go for it, but as jeffm wrote in his guide its extracting nuisance money.

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tcpaul (Feb 5, 2017 - 1:51 pm)

You don't know what the f_ck you're talking about.

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isthisit (Feb 5, 2017 - 2:44 pm)

Please elaborate.

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mtbislife (Feb 5, 2017 - 3:24 pm)

Yeah, nothing says legit trial attorney like trip and fall and auto accidents.

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tcpaul (Feb 5, 2017 - 4:53 pm)

Anybody that has the balls to try cases, no matter how big or small, in front of a jury is a trial attorney. A very small percentage of practicing attorneys can say they try cases. Most $hit their pants even thinking about it and do everything they can to avoid it. I don't care who you are. If you go into court and battle in front of a jury, you've got my respect.

Also, I'm not sure what a "nuisance" case is. If someone blows a red light and t-bones you and you're taken to the ER by ambulance and you've only got soft tissue injuries but $7,000 in medical expenses to show for it, I'd consider that a pretty big f_cking "nuisance." You know how much the liability insurer is going to offer you for your nuisance? You'll be lucky if they even offer you your meds. The insurance company won't even take your claim seriously until you retain an attorney and file suit. And then you've got to battle them to even get a fair offer. I don't care how big or small the case is, sticking it to the insurers instead of being d_cked over by them when you are billing time is a blast.

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jeffm (Feb 6, 2017 - 4:02 pm)

I know what he meant by using me as an example.

I agree with you that anyone who can get up there and try cases is a trial lawyer. Given how few people can actually bring themselves to do it, I wouldn't take that away from anyone.

As far as the "nuisance" comment, consider your comment about sticking it to the evil carriers. That's half the story. The other half is that there are people on the ID-side of the docket who want to stick it scumbag attorneys who try to aggrandize fender-benders by using sleazy chiropractors who are well-seasoned at playing the game.

Each side's idealists have their reasons for their "mission" to stick it to the other side. The grand irony is that over the long haul, the success either side will have will be nil. Carriers will always be viewed as greedy, and plaintiffs will always be viewed as fakers and scumbags. (With regards to these low value, soft-tissue PI cases).

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tcpaul (Feb 6, 2017 - 8:57 am)

This was unnecessary. Sorry.

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nofaultkillself (Feb 5, 2017 - 3:32 pm)

Is a move to plaintiff side a 'reset' button in terms of salary?

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tcpaul (Feb 5, 2017 - 4:59 pm)

It doesn't have to be. I saw a huge bump in salary when I made the move. I went from low $100ks to mid $100ks and expect to be in the $200ks in three years. The top attorneys in my firm make in the $400ks and $500ks. Very very few ID partners are making those #s and the ones that do are working way harder than the guys on the other side.

But it takes balls to go from ID to plaintiff's law. You have to not give a f_ck about what people think. Making the jump was the best career move I've ever made.

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jeffm (Feb 6, 2017 - 3:56 pm)

"You have to not give a f_ck about what people think."

In what regard?

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tcpaul (Feb 6, 2017 - 7:48 pm)

Zero prestige. You'll get called an ambulance chaser. Even your attorney friends will think you're crazy. There was a period of time when I convinced myself that ID was above plaintiff's work. Now I see it's just a different side of the same coin. Except on this side I (1) work less, (2) make more, and (3) have fun.

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parlance (Feb 7, 2017 - 1:02 am)

He means people don't view plaintiff PI work as a glamorous part of the profession, nor should they. But once you learn your craft, none of that should mean anything.

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mtbislife (Feb 7, 2017 - 9:13 am)

Obviously there are times when liability is clear, the injuries are substantial and the carrier is still trying to snake their way out of paying and I get that. But if you can honestly sit there and try to say that litigating an ankle sprain for 3 years is not a waste of everyones time and judicial resources then you are clearly willing to say and do anything for money.

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parlance (Feb 7, 2017 - 11:34 am)

LOL, so you would sit on your hands and wait around for that one big case with fractures and a straightforward liability fact pattern and forego everything else? You're crazy, buddy. Haha

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mtbislife (Feb 7, 2017 - 12:07 pm)

Stop trying to justify working in a crappy area of law, you know you rely on seedy chiros to ramp up damages. Keep lying to yourself.

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nofaultkillself (Feb 7, 2017 - 12:49 pm)

Ostensibly, this was about next moves for a slip and fall lawyer. Not a hate fest.

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tcpaul (Feb 7, 2017 - 1:16 pm)

I've got some dogs but the majority of my cases, even the low damages ones, are the result of someone else f_cking up. I have no problem suing them. The little cases add up.

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nofaultkillself (Feb 6, 2017 - 7:06 pm)

I'm guessing he means some folks think of the plaintiff bar as all ambulance chasers.

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