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The new Fed Hiring Freeze...

How will this affect apps already in process? Applied for an notthedroidyo01/25/17
If you weren't hired by the 22nd of January, you're out of l flyer1401/25/17
So start applying again after 90 days? mtbislife01/25/17
My agency just sent out an email that stated they weren't su lawrunner31701/25/17
I thought that the freeze was going to last until OPM comes hopelesslyunemployed01/25/17
In the executive order, it said it would last 90 days to giv kramer71601/25/17
Everyone at my Agency doubts that OMB will get that together perkinwarbeck01/25/17
Ugh these next 4 years are going to blow. cocolawyer01/25/17
Some OMB guidance came out today. You must have had an offer perkinwarbeck01/25/17
Yikes, that sucks for everybody who was in the pipeline to g greenhorn01/25/17
To be fair, government workers are overpaid and underworked. patenttrollnj01/25/17
Many of their jobs are either useless or actually harmful. prestiiigiousone01/26/17
I haven't found that to be the case, but it probably depends 2breedbares01/26/17
They could extend that Freeze to 2020 and most Americans wou notiers01/26/17
Let's talk about the growth of federal payroll in recent yea flyer1401/27/17
Most of the Fed jobs can be done by computers. And why do we mrlollipop01/27/17
If I had a dollar for every time a government computer syste flyer1401/27/17
That's because the government didnt spend enough money to u mrlollipop01/30/17
The operative word is *can* be done by computers, but the te downwardslope01/27/17
I used to work at a federal agency (circa 2012) where we use anonattempt01/27/17
It still says that. govlaw01/27/17
Haha!! You have to admire the gumption of the coder who had anonattempt01/27/17
There were roughly 22 million people employed by the Federal notiers01/27/17
Yes. http://www.cbpp.org/research/retire ment-security/budget booyeah01/28/17
I think there are about 4.2 million federal employees, inclu brassica701/28/17
More guidance: https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/wh itehous perkinwarbeck02/01/17

notthedroidyo (Jan 25, 2017 - 12:38 pm)

How will this affect apps already in process? Applied for and had a good shot at a VA job but it closed just before the freeze.

Insert Animated GIF of Mr. Freeze

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flyer14 (Jan 25, 2017 - 1:13 pm)

If you weren't hired by the 22nd of January, you're out of luck for at least the next 90 days. That's the length of the current hiring freeze.

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mtbislife (Jan 25, 2017 - 3:23 pm)

So start applying again after 90 days?

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lawrunner317 (Jan 25, 2017 - 5:00 pm)

My agency just sent out an email that stated they weren't sure how long this freeze will last. Where did you see 90 days. I was in the process of making a lateral move to move back to my home state. Ugh

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hopelesslyunemployed (Jan 25, 2017 - 5:10 pm)

I thought that the freeze was going to last until OPM comes up with a plan to reduce the federal workforce (or something like that)

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kramer716 (Jan 25, 2017 - 5:29 pm)

In the executive order, it said it would last 90 days to give OPM time to come up with a plan to reduce the federal workforce via attrition.

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perkinwarbeck (Jan 25, 2017 - 6:34 pm)

Everyone at my Agency doubts that OMB will get that together in less than 90 days. We're expecting to be under a freeze for longer.

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cocolawyer (Jan 25, 2017 - 3:51 pm)

Ugh these next 4 years are going to blow.

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perkinwarbeck (Jan 25, 2017 - 6:27 pm)

Some OMB guidance came out today. You must have had an offer already to avoid the freeze. You also need to have a start date before February 22nd. If you got a start date after February 22nd, they may be able to let you start.

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greenhorn (Jan 25, 2017 - 6:53 pm)

Yikes, that sucks for everybody who was in the pipeline to get a sweet fed gig. Hopefully the freeze gets lifted and hiring can go back to normal.

Trump supposedly said that government employees are over payed and underworked and that government should be more like the private sector.

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patenttrollnj (Jan 25, 2017 - 6:54 pm)

To be fair, government workers are overpaid and underworked. Certainly not all, but way too many.

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prestiiigiousone (Jan 26, 2017 - 11:52 am)

Many of their jobs are either useless or actually harmful. And they also discriminated against whites and men in their hiring.

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2breedbares (Jan 26, 2017 - 4:09 pm)

I haven't found that to be the case, but it probably depends on the agency/department. The biggest discriminatory criteria is the veteran's preference.

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notiers (Jan 26, 2017 - 4:16 pm)

They could extend that Freeze to 2020 and most Americans wouldn't feel the impact. The swelling of the federal payroll has helped no one. High pay, great benefits and pensions for 9:30 to 4:30 work that often amounts to pushing papers. What a waste.

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flyer14 (Jan 27, 2017 - 1:05 am)

Let's talk about the growth of federal payroll in recent years.

http://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/BL-REB-28985?responsive=y

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mrlollipop (Jan 27, 2017 - 1:22 am)

Most of the Fed jobs can be done by computers. And why do we need so many fed workers pushing papers?

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flyer14 (Jan 27, 2017 - 1:47 am)

If I had a dollar for every time a government computer system was inoperable, I could retire in Hawaii by now

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mrlollipop (Jan 30, 2017 - 6:21 am)

That's because the government didnt spend enough money to upgrade their computers. Artificial intelligence isthe trend for sure

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downwardslope (Jan 27, 2017 - 6:18 am)

The operative word is *can* be done by computers, but the tech in government is years (if not decades) behind what it is elsewhere. I was at a networking function yesterday with two government attorneys (the other person was with the feds) talking to a woman in the private sector employee about "outdated systems." We inquired as to what "outdated systems" meant and she said three years. We told her that in government, DOS was still de riguer.

I work for a state-level agency, but most of the systems we have are DOS-based with a "GUI"- which is in quotations for a reason. The "GUI" is not an interface at all but just there to make it look less scary to people who think they can't work in a command prompt system. They're all still your standard, command-based DOS systems. Our people who need to access federal (DOS-based) databases come in at 4am when the traffic is minimal so their queries take less time to run.

My current place has apparently trying to get off of DOS for probably 10 years. For a while, our personnel system wouldn't run in a browser an actual human being had outside of the state because all of us working for the state had such outdated browsers. Most IT departments had allowances in the firewalls to download Chrome or Firefox because you couldn't even look at anything work related with the approved browser, as no websites supported them.

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anonattempt (Jan 27, 2017 - 1:47 pm)

I used to work at a federal agency (circa 2012) where we used a DOS-based system. When the system was released in the late 70's or early 80's, however, it was the agency's first time using a computer program to perform the agency's functions, and it was considered fairly advanced at the time.

I always thought it funny when, in 2012/2013, I would start up the system, and text would flash stating, "Welcome to the Future."

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govlaw (Jan 27, 2017 - 1:58 pm)

It still says that.

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anonattempt (Jan 27, 2017 - 2:03 pm)

Haha!! You have to admire the gumption of the coder who had assumed the gov wouldn't be using the same program 35+ years later.

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notiers (Jan 27, 2017 - 3:35 pm)

There were roughly 22 million people employed by the Federal Governement in 2015. I wonder at what number would people start to notice a change? If there were 17 million employed by the Federal Government (i.e. A cut of 5 million elployees); would it change anything?

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booyeah (Jan 28, 2017 - 11:55 am)

Yes. http://www.cbpp.org/research/retirement-security/budget-cuts-squeeze-social-security-administration-even-as-workloads

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brassica7 (Jan 28, 2017 - 10:12 am)

I think there are about 4.2 million federal employees, including military personnel: https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/data-analysis-documentation/federal-employment-reports/historical-tables/total-government-employment-since-1962/. There has not been a massive increase in the federal payroll.

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perkinwarbeck (Feb 1, 2017 - 11:29 pm)

More guidance:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whitehouse.gov/files/images/M-17-18-Federal-Civilian-Hiring-Freeze.pdf

Everyone send your resume to the post office!

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