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VA Board of Veterans Appeals Q&A

I have an interview with the VA board for an attorney adviso dcm198310/26/16
These sound like questions you should ask them...except #8 notthedroidyo11/29/16
Hi, i will have an interview with the VA board for an attorn usproud11/29/16
It was a short, 15 minute interview with three people. The q dcm198311/29/16
My friend used to work there. It seemed awful, but was reall spaghetti12/01/16
I heard that too, but they recently changed the production s dcm198312/01/16
How do you like your new job, dcm? john0912/04/16
It's going well so far! Lots of new hires and everyone is pr dcm198312/04/16
Sounds nice! Glad you are enjoying it. I'm anxiously await thermocutty12/05/16
They're interviewing through the end of the week. For those joshdoctson12/05/16
Seems like they called people with offers the next day based thermocutty12/05/16
I'm in the same boat thermocutty. I also had an interview o js7712/05/16
Well at least we can be nervous together then lol. thermocutty12/05/16
At the very least I know they have interviews going on Decem kramer71612/05/16
I asked them about the time frame during the interview and t usproud12/12/16
I got the same answer. kramer71612/15/16
I applied for this job in September and have received no mov t3success12/12/16
Did you guys get your photos taken for your ID badges on the js7712/12/16
Hi js77, I recently had an interview with BVA. How long did lawgirl201612/15/16
Anyone else have their interview today? lawandwar12/15/16
I had my interview in the morning. I couldn't get a read on kramer71612/15/16
Any cool insight on the building itself (cafeteria, parking, joshdoctson12/15/16
I don't have many fresh insights. I took the metro and walke kramer71612/16/16
I had my interview yesterday, it was a remote one and i didn lawandwar12/16/16
I wonder how much longer the agency plans to interview with joshdoctson12/15/16
As of this time, I have not received a final offer or start js7712/15/16
I heard the budget through fiscal year 2017 is already set. lawgirl201612/15/16
Here is my update and timeline for reference: -Applied mi thermocutty12/16/16
Thank you very much for the timeline. Having a point of refe kramer71612/16/16
Congratulations. I'm still awaiting the next step in the pro lawandwar12/16/16
Via email. I heard some people got calls. I guess it depen thermocutty12/20/16
Thermo, have you received a firm offer yet? I'm still waiti js7712/20/16
Not yet. They did ask me to pick a start date as late as Ja thermocutty12/20/16
It might take a while before we get our formal offers. I th js7712/21/16
Did your usajob account status ever change? lawandwar12/20/16
My USAJobs account status only changed after referral. It re joshdoctson12/21/16
What was your timeline from interviewing to being selected? lawandwar12/21/16
I interviewed remotely the week of December 5th (either Wedn joshdoctson12/21/16
Congratulations. I'm still awaiting the next step in the pro lawandwar12/16/16
I haven't heard anything either, but if they stay consistent kramer71612/20/16
did you need to do the eqip online background application? W bvalw01/08/17
Just wanted to check in. Have any of the people who intervie kramer71612/27/16
Nope. Interviews on 14th and no word yet. lawandwar12/27/16
They said to follow-up in about ten to twelve days after the kramer71612/28/16
Yes I think they may be short staffed as well. I absolutely lawandwar12/28/16
Hey thermocutty, have you received a firm offer as of today, js7712/28/16
I got an email two weeks ago after my fingerprints saying I jddidtie12/28/16
Yes, I received the same email jdd. Have you received a for js7712/28/16
Hey! I got my final offer letter yesterday. I'm guessing y thermocutty12/30/16
I also received my final offer letter. Looking forward to me joshdoctson01/02/17
Congratulations on your offer. I am hoping that we hear next kramer71601/02/17
I sent a follow-up e-mail to the person they told me to cont kramer71601/05/17
This wait is ridiculous. Who did you send a follow up email lawandwar01/05/17
I sent the e-mail to the person who initially contacted me a kramer71601/06/17
Right no news is good news. If they hated us I'm sure we wou lawandwar01/06/17
I got a reply. Basically said the HR team is small and that kramer71601/06/17
That makes me feel better. Let me know what they say. lawandwar01/06/17
1) had interview on December 12th. 2) Got an email with Te bvalw01/08/17
Have your fingerprints cleared yet? You should receive a fi js7701/08/17
I did HR had no info. I do not see a reason why it wouldn't bvalw01/08/17
Orientation started today and it looks like they do orientat joshdoctson01/09/17
Appreciate the info. Sounds like if I get hired then Feb. 6t kramer71601/09/17
Hey Kramer, when did you interview? I was the 15th and I sti lkskins01/09/17
I interviewed on the 14th. I only emailed the new address on kramer71601/09/17
if it helps anyone, got my official offer letter today. Star bvalw01/11/17
Thank you. It seems that everyone has been processed up thro kramer71601/11/17
Yes definitely seems that way. Wonder if the week of Decembe lawandwar01/11/17
Did you recieve it via email? From who I the agency? Trying lawandwar01/11/17
One person on here interviewed on the 15th, and they are sti kramer71601/11/17
Me too, especially considering the fact that emails go unans lawandwar01/11/17
So I was one of the people with 12th interview and 16th cond bvalw01/11/17
I sent an e-mail before to HR, and it took them four days to kramer71601/11/17
Doubt a hiring freeze really gonna happen. But if it does, y bvalw01/11/17
The person who gave me the tour said that I think a conditio kramer71601/11/17
Trump says he wants a freeze that doesn't mean it'll happen. bvalw01/11/17
Dude, you're kidding yourself if you think it isn't happenin joshdoctson01/11/17
That puts it a bit into perspective. I am not saying it won' bvalw01/11/17
I am banking on the fact that you can't mess with the VA too lkskins01/12/17
I used to work at the BVA and they hired hundreds of attorne yulacu01/12/17
Hope that trend continues. How did you like working for the kramer71601/12/17
Let's just say there is a lot of turnover there and I left f yulacu01/19/17
Fair enough. I figured there would be a high amount of turno kramer71601/20/17
A couple of things First, I e-mailed HR again. I haven't kramer71601/13/17
I think the va will be exempt from a potential freeze as it lawandwar01/13/17
Hopefully, it won't be an issue, but I am assuming the hirin kramer71601/13/17
Right. We're in the same boat so far. Hopefully we here some lawandwar01/13/17
Here is hoping we get the answer tomorrow. Just want some cl kramer71601/16/17
To you as well! lkskins01/17/17
Started calling and so far no answer. Just left a couple of kramer71601/18/17
What number have you been calling? lkskins01/19/17
I e-mailed the HR People back in October to get a status on kramer71601/20/17
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/which-e xecutive-orders-did-trump hopelesslyunemployed01/20/17
Hmm, so anyone else who interviewed mid-December still holdi lkskins01/23/17
I am still holding out hope. Will keep calling because I don kramer71601/23/17
Hope you get through! I sent another e-mail this morning. lkskins01/23/17
Took me 10 days for HR to actually pick up the phone, ignore bvalw01/23/17
Trump has ordered a federal hiring freeze effective today. js7701/23/17
Have you heard from wherever the va specifically will not hi lawandwar01/23/17
Don't know if the VA will be affected. At this point, I woul kramer71601/23/17
Would you guys mind sharing the number you are calling? And lkskins01/23/17
I called 202 461 7843. thats HR. they never answer calls or lawandwar01/23/17
I am calling the same number and getting the same results. U kramer71601/23/17
Thanks very much, still holding out for everyone. lkskins01/23/17
Good luck to you as well. IF you call the Chairman's Office kramer71601/23/17
Just heard on the news that trump placed a hiring freeze on lawandwar01/23/17
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit ics/trump-halts-hiring-of lawandwar01/23/17
Anyone with start date after freeze was ordered heard anythi bvalw01/25/17
Did you get a firm offer or did you just get the tentative o kramer71601/25/17
My firm offer letter was supposed to be sent Monday I believ bvalw01/25/17
Yeah, Monday seemed to be when everything stopped. An earlie kramer71601/25/17
does anyne have any insight on how long the freeze will happ lawandwar01/25/17
Absent amendment or expedited attrition plan, the freeze ela joshdoctson01/25/17
http://www.stripes.com/news/democra ts-urge-trump-to-exempt-v kramer71601/25/17
VA and CDC are still posting positions. I think they are sti downwardslope01/26/17
If any hiring happens during this time, I believe attorneys lawandwar01/26/17
What gives us some hope is that the new VA head has been the kramer71601/26/17
Yes hope so. At this point I'm sort of stuck trying to figur lawandwar01/26/17
Agreed. This is the sense I get regarding President Trump so kramer71601/26/17
Yes I agree with that. Hopefully they can convince him to li lawandwar01/26/17
Asked HR whether or not the OMB memo is binding, only got th bvalw01/26/17
I am impressed you got a response at all. Good job on that. kramer71601/26/17
I am so mad at this situation, especially seeing how you wer lawandwar01/26/17
Ugggh, better get on a doc review for a few weeks -_- lkskins01/26/17
Same here. What city do you do doc review in? kramer71601/26/17
I'm local in DC, not on anything though :( lkskins01/26/17
HOw is the doc review market in DC? If you want a project ca kramer71601/26/17
If you are Barred in DC, there are a lot of options, if you lkskins01/27/17
Damn, alright DC is probably out. I am not barred in DC but kramer71601/27/17
Not sure if it's going to help anyone: HR confirmed in a bvalw01/27/17
That does help. Just wish they sent out a mass e-mail of som kramer71601/27/17
I had an interview but haven't recieved an offer yet so I gu lawandwar01/27/17
Yep pretty much. Would go to your plan B. Time to learn abou kramer71601/27/17
;yes thats my plan b now lawandwar01/27/17
I feel your pain. Sadly I am in the black hole of document r kramer71601/27/17
"The Department of Veterans Affairs intends to exempt anyone yulacu01/27/17
"The Department of Veterans Affairs intends to exempt anyone yulacu01/27/17
Thank you for the confirmation. I think the Democrats are st kramer71601/27/17
i didn't see attorney adviser on that list hopelesslyunemployed01/27/17
Right. Only public safety and other healthcare givers, not a lawandwar01/27/17
Just wanted to check in with the people that did accept thei kramer71602/10/17
I can offer some of my impressions but keep in mind I have o thermocutty02/18/17
Thank you very much for your reply. I am happy to hear that kramer71602/21/17
I am interested in chatting with you as I am also coming fro lawyerdc03/20/17
Curious how things are going as well. Any idea if there will oddis50002/17/17
I work at the Board as a judge. Have been here a long time whynot02/19/17
Hi Whynot, Thanks for answering a few questions. I'm curren oddis50002/20/17
Yes the Board will hire more Attorney Advisors once the hiri whynot02/20/17
Great thanks for taking the time. oddis50002/20/17
I appreciate that you are taking the time to answer question kramer71602/21/17
I believe we will pick up the process from where we left it whynot02/21/17
Thank you for the information. I am glad to hear that you wi kramer71602/22/17
One final question if you don't mind, do you know if the old kramer71602/24/17
I wish I had some insight to this but I don't know. I'm not whynot02/25/17
No worries. I appreciate all the information that you have p kramer71602/26/17
Hey Kramer, had any luck contacting hr? I've been doing doc lkskins03/13/17
I never had any luck getting ahold of anyone, although I sto kramer71603/14/17
Well I sure hope so! Hopefully we meet sometime in the futur lkskins03/15/17
Agreed. Hopefully we get hired and end up in a class with de kramer71603/17/17
hi all. I have been reading this thread for awhile but have lawyerdc03/20/17
If you don't mind me asking, do you remember when you interv kramer71603/20/17
Friend of mine said she heard the board was starting to hire lkskins04/03/17
Nope. What I heard is the VA wants to hire about 60 more att kramer71604/03/17
http://m.govexec.com/management/201 7/04/trump-ends-federal-h lkskins04/11/17
whoa. fingers double crossed lawandwar04/11/17
NICE! I sent an email last month following up and never rece kramer71604/12/17
Ive tried calling and it goes straight to voicemail- i think lawandwar04/12/17
Did you have a Tentative Offer before the freeze? downwardslope04/12/17
No tentative offers. It appeared they were processing everyo kramer71604/12/17
no offer, just an interview December 14th and then the freez lawandwar04/12/17
Hopefully you both hear something in the next couple of week downwardslope04/12/17
I sent one final email to HR. Just asked for a timeline. I d kramer71604/13/17
Haha me too, I'm sure they are receiving a lot, I'm going to lkskins04/14/17
https://www.reddit.com/r/washington dc/comments/65vnme/the_fr govlaw04/17/17
chrome-extension://oemmndcbldboiebf nladdacbdfmadadm/http://1 kramer71604/17/17
That's encouraging lawandwar04/17/17
It's nice to know that he exempted the position, but I am a kramer71604/17/17
Just got an email about confirming my tentative offer and in fedatty1304/18/17
Thanks for the update!! I imagine things are pretty out of o lkskins04/18/17
Agreed. I did receive an update for the SSA position that I kramer71604/19/17
It's interesting that they reposted the position today. It's oddis50004/20/17
They have another one they occasionally post that is up for downwardslope04/20/17
It's not the same job. Read the description and compare. Pro dcm198304/20/17
Interesting. But would you go from a 12 back to 11 for Attor bullah04/20/17
Once you get time in grade at gs-12 you can apply for gs-13. downwardslope04/20/17
It is a different job but will take it if offered. kramer71604/20/17
Any of you posters vets? Does that seem to help getting int bullah04/20/17
Any of you posters vets? Does that seem to help getting int bullah04/20/17
Oddly recieved another referral letter today, just like the lawandwar04/21/17
I just got another referral today too. lawrunner31704/21/17
So I got an ineligible but submitted all my materials. Could mararum04/21/17
Did you get the 2 non referred 1 referred email? Or totally downwardslope04/21/17
I got one totally ineligible email. It was not nonreferred. mararum04/21/17
My email today said "not referred, referred, not referred". jdmaryland04/21/17
Yes i got two non reffered and one referred for the same pos lawandwar04/21/17
I also got the resent referral letters today... lkskins04/21/17
I also received the new referral letter, although my pattern kramer71604/21/17
I checked on the VA application portal and mine is an exact lkskins04/21/17
Agreed, although it wouldn't surprise me if they have us int kramer71604/21/17
Dammit I think I just got an email telling me I'm not the be lkskins04/21/17
Same, and I am a bit pis-ed. If I just received the rejectio kramer71604/21/17
My second email was a referral. First was not referred, lawrunner31704/21/17
Looks like you have a decent shot then. I really don't under kramer71604/21/17
Not holding my breath on this one. lawrunner31704/21/17
im out. just got a letter saying not among highest qualified lawandwar04/21/17
Ah welcome to the island of misfit toys. I am annoyed at the kramer71604/21/17
I received a rejection from another position too so it seems lkskins04/21/17
Was it from the VA as well? I am still waiting to hear from kramer71604/21/17
Nah it was from another agency ugh lkskins04/21/17
Looking back to fedatty's post, they might be sending out re lkskins04/21/17
I cant lie, im completely discouraged. Ive been waiting sinc lawandwar04/21/17
They weren't lying when they said the VA was in the dumps I lkskins04/21/17
Yeah, I am not pleased. If I just received the rejection ema kramer71604/21/17
I wholeheartedly agree. why build me up to let me down. This lawandwar04/21/17
I pulled a Don Quixote and am charging another windmill. I s kramer71604/21/17
I would like to know what their response is whenever they re lawandwar04/21/17
Yeah I am not holding my breath, but I will let everyone kno kramer71604/21/17
I wouldn't lose hope guys. I got notified that I WAS referre oddis50004/21/17
The sad thing is no one knows. What it probably means is the kramer71604/21/17
Thats how the process works- you get referred and eventually lawandwar04/21/17
Hi Oddis, do you mind if I ask when you applied for the posi lkskins04/23/17
I'm in the same boat as Oddis. FWIW I applied in early Novem lawrunner31704/23/17
I think they referred a whole lot of people. I got one of t downwardslope04/23/17
Yea, I think what confused some of us is that we were referr lkskins04/23/17
Did you get the two letters? I got two as well. It doesn't a downwardslope04/23/17
Hey everyone. New to the thread. I got the same strange refe kemken04/24/17
I am also new to the thread. I too received the same referr trophy201704/24/17
Just based on a pure gut instinct, but I think if you interv kramer71604/24/17
Did anyone who received a referral notice last week get a ca jewels04/28/17
I got nothing. Haven't heard a peep. This process seems to b oddis50004/28/17
I can't remember the exact timeline, but when I was referred kramer71604/28/17
Ok, thanks for the info. Any hope is better than none ha. oddis50004/28/17
Yeah I wouldn't worry too much. My guess is you will be inte kramer71604/28/17
Great thanks again. Hopefully everyone will start hearing so oddis50004/29/17
No worries. Good luck. kramer71604/29/17
How is everyone doing hahaha anyone had any progress? lkskins05/08/17
Nada lawrunner31705/08/17
Crickets oddis50005/08/17
Hey guys just a heads up, I got a phone call last week askin fedatty1305/09/17
Thanks for telling us! Definitely appreciate it. Just glad m lkskins05/10/17
I heard interviews are starting up again in a couple of week downwardslope05/11/17
@downwardslope is that for the 11/14 attorney-advisor job or ivysunshine05/11/17
The general attorney position is interviewing the week of Ma jdmaryland05/11/17
Thanks @jdmaryland. was hoping there was also movement on t ivysunshine05/11/17
I'm guessing notices to interview were already sent then for lawrunner31705/11/17
It seems like it. IIRC, there were only six slots for that o downwardslope05/11/17
Just received an email invitation for the week of June 5th f jayjd41005/17/17
I got one too, but I declined since I have since moved on. I downwardslope05/17/17
I received the same email, but my interview is for next Tues jewels05/17/17
Good luck. 99% of my questions were about legal writing. The kramer71605/17/17
Friend of mine got an interview today as well. My interview lkskins05/17/17
Congrats on the interviews! Has anyone previously interview jdmaryland05/17/17
I got nothing. Congrats to those that did and best of luck! oddis50005/17/17
I was referred last month and got an invitation to an interv threedham05/19/17
I work at the Board as a judge. Yes we can be flexible abou whynot05/19/17
Hi Whynot, Does the board allow compressed schedules (e.g jdmaryland05/19/17
Compressed schedules (9 or 10 hour days) are allowed after 1 whynot05/20/17
Hi, I was referred last month also. If you did not recei dbtjr05/20/17
Not sure about that dbtjr. Hope you get contacted soon. anonlawyer150205/21/17
Bump. Any info on selection process? anonlawyer150205/22/17
They're interviewing candidates this week and next week, so threedham05/22/17
Anything at all coming out of the interviews? anonlawyer150205/23/17
I interviewed. Very standard interview with pre-written HRis threedham05/23/17
Thanks a lot threedham. This information is greatly apprecia anonlawyer150205/23/17
I interviewed for the GS11/12 position. They asked 6 questio legaleye05/23/17
Great. Good luck legaleye! anonlawyer150205/23/17
Any specific information coming out of the interviews? Numbe jd2013ma05/24/17
I glanced at the sign-in sheet at security when I checked in threedham05/24/17
@ threedham, did you interview for 11/12 or 11/14 position? jd2013ma05/24/17
Yes. threedham05/24/17
11/14. threedham05/24/17
Anybody else have info to share about the process? Anything jd2013ma05/24/17
Goes without saying, but when people hear back from the Boar threedham05/30/17
Yes! Though, I went for the 11/12. legaleye05/31/17
Did you get an offer? longstreet05/31/17
No, waiting to find out. legaleye05/31/17
I interviewed for the 11/14 position today. I was told that jd2015ia05/31/17
I interviewed for 11/12 and am also still waiting to hear ba nats1706/01/17
Was your interview in-person or via phone? legaleye06/02/17
Mine was in person, with 4 on the panel. nats1706/02/17
It was nine questions for me. Each VLJ asked three. They wer jd2015ia06/02/17
I interviewed for the attorney advisor position on May 23, a fmb9906/05/17
Any new information on selection? It sounds like they are do anonlawyer150206/12/17
I hear you! I interviewed on May 23 and was told they would ags1506/12/17
I interviewed May 31st as well. I'll update if I hear anythi brownbear06/12/17
I interviewed May 31st as well. I'll update if I hear anythi brownbear06/12/17
I interviewed May 31st as well. I'll update if I hear anythi brownbear06/12/17
When people do hear something, let's make sure that we post anonlawyer150206/13/17
Has anyone called HR to get an update? anonlawyer150206/13/17
I went through the first round of interviews back in the win kramer71606/13/17
Yeah, I interviewed on May 24th and haven't heard anything b raider368106/13/17
I think your best bet is to try calling, but even that is a kramer71606/13/17
I sent a follow-up email this morning. I interviewed for the brownbear06/14/17
Thanks for the update. raider368106/14/17
That's good. So that implies that they didn't actually get t threedham06/14/17
Do we know how quickly it usually takes for HR to start cont anonlawyer150206/14/17
Thanks for passing that along. Good that you got a response anonlawyer150206/14/17
Do we know how quickly it usually takes for HR to start cont anonlawyer150206/14/17
Anything new? I'm struggling with the wait. anonlawyer150206/15/17
I'm sure at least one person here will get a TO and let ever threedham06/15/17
I'll post as well. No news yet. brownbear06/15/17
I'll do the same as soon as I hear something. anonlawyer150206/15/17
I'll post too as soon as I hear something. I'm at the end of jayjd41006/15/17
I'm not sure that offers will be generated based on when you anonlawyer150206/15/17
While I would love to get a job offer tomorrow, my hope is t raider368106/15/17
I also interviewed for the 11/14 position on May 23rd. @Brow ags1506/15/17
@ags15, yeah, I interviewed for the 11/14 on May 31. I didn' brownbear06/15/17
Yeah, as long as we all post when we get an update, we will ags1506/15/17
It is unclear from the message I received what, if any, time brownbear06/15/17
I hope that I am wrong, but I doubt they will be notifying u fmb9906/16/17
My friend who got the job in December found out on a Friday ivysunshine06/16/17
Do we know whether it is email contact or phone and then ema anonlawyer150206/16/17
The people in December received their tentative offers via e ivysunshine06/16/17
I guess fmb99 ws right... next week ivysunshine06/17/17
@ivysunshine did you hear something or just commenting on no anonlawyer150206/17/17
No... Just commenting. I receive the same news as almost eve ivysunshine06/17/17
Any updates? Or contact with the board/HR? anonlawyer150206/19/17
still nothing. getting kind of frustrating fedhopeful106/20/17
I would work off the assumption that you didn't get the job, kramer71606/20/17
Respectfully, our situation is different from yours. When yo threedham06/20/17
I think it might be a bit early to assume anything. It sound anonlawyer150206/20/17
Fair enough, and you are correct that the notifications come kramer71606/20/17
All true stuff. They will definitely take their sweet time. brownbear06/20/17
The government is just slow. The judges who interviewed have brownbear06/20/17
All good points. Has anyone else tried contacting HR or the anonlawyer150206/20/17
If anyone here wants to call or email them or the admin assi threedham06/20/17
Just based on experience, and again this is based on my expe kramer71606/20/17
Right, but people were getting offers during the period you threedham06/20/17
Very true, plus the pending hiring freeze in January made th kramer71606/20/17
I sent a quick email. I'll update if I get any response. brownbear06/20/17
Thanks @brownbear anonlawyer150206/20/17
I too e-mailed the Staff Assistant. No response from e-mail notreallyme06/20/17
Hi all, I just received a TO via email. jewels06/20/17
Congrats @jewels! When did you interview/what position/ot anonlawyer150206/20/17
Thanks! May 23rd for the 11/14 position. jewels06/20/17
just received an offer too. interviewed end of may, 11/14 po fedhopeful106/20/17
Did you receive it around the same time as jewels? (That is ags1506/20/17
I received it before I posted so I'm assuming the same time fedhopeful106/20/17
What date did you interview? ags1506/20/17
My email says it came in at 1:25. jewels06/20/17
same fedhopeful106/20/17
Can you tell if it was a mass email or personalized? threedham06/20/17
I interviewed for 11/14 on the 6th. Anyone get an offer from anonlawyer150206/20/17
It looks like I'll be waiting a few more weeks for my reject fmb9906/20/17
You interview for the 11/14 or 11/12? longstreet06/20/17
I think 11/14, because promotion potential was to 14. My in fmb9906/20/17
Can everyone that hasn't gotten an offer confirm 1. that the ags1506/20/17
I haven't yet received an offer and I interviewed on May 24 ags1506/20/17
I interviewed on May 22nd and haven't yet received an email. threedham06/20/17
I interviewed on June 6 for the 11/14 position and have not anonlawyer150206/20/17
Interviewed on 5/23 for the 11/12 and 11/14. No message reg notreallyme06/20/17
No offer here. Interviewed May 31 for 11/14. If the hiring g brownbear06/20/17
Interviewed on 6/7 for 11/14. No offer. jayjd41006/20/17
Interviewed on May 31st for 11/14, and haven't received an e jd2015ia06/20/17
Interviewed 6/6 and just got a tentative offer for 11/14 anonlawyer150206/20/17
Same. I interviewed for 11/14 on May 22 and I received a TO threedham06/20/17
Congrats to all who have heard and good luck to those who ha anonlawyer150206/20/17
Just got a TO at 3:28 jayjd41006/20/17
Anyone hear yet on the 11/12? downwardslope06/20/17
Congrats all. What's everyone's start date? I'm wondering if brownbear06/21/17
Start dates don't issue until final offer letters come out. threedham06/21/17
Brownbear, did you get an offer? Still waiting. ags1506/21/17
No, I haven't received an offer either. brownbear06/21/17
Also spoke to HR this morning. The message was that selecti notreallyme06/21/17
What number did you use to get in contact with HR? I've send raider368106/21/17
The number listed earlier in this thread. notreallyme06/21/17
So they have sent out 11/12 offers? longstreet06/21/17
I called HR and they called backed leaving a voicemail. From ags1506/21/17
If you are looking for a regular attorney position, I recomm kramer71606/21/17
I recently saw postings from the Northern Mariana Islands Pu threedham06/21/17
Thanks for the update. Well that sucks. longstreet06/21/17
for those still waiting, good luck! for those that got an fedhopeful106/22/17
It seems that ship has sailed according to what the HR folk longstreet06/22/17
@longstreet that's what it seems like. If you hear anything anonlawyer150206/22/17
@fedhopeful that's what it seems like. Please post if you he anonlawyer150206/22/17
Yep, fingerprints and the form. Both were pretty quick and p threedham06/24/17
anyone know if VA plans to hire more atty advisers after thi legaleagle22306/23/17
Yes. As a large organization (almost 700 staff attorneys) w whynot06/24/17
Thanks. It looks like the hiring is done for this last job legaleagle22306/24/17
Has anyone on this board gotten an 11/12 offer? They all see longstreet06/24/17
I know someone who interviewed and said it's been crickets o downwardslope06/24/17
Yeah. That seems likely. longstreet06/24/17
Guesses for time between submission of the form and finishin threedham06/26/17
I hope it's later this week or sometime next week. Has anyon anonlawyer150206/26/17
I asked my HR guy about timelines, because I'm finishing a c threedham06/27/17
I just received a TA for the 11/14. I am not certain if thi notreallyme06/27/17
Oops. Autoco-rek'd. I got a tentative offer. T.O. notreallyme06/27/17
How long you think fingerprint clearance is gonna take? I di threedham06/27/17
As a point of reference, I got my final offer letter about 2 joshdoctson06/28/17
Any new info? Anyone reach out to HR recently? anonlawyer150206/28/17
Nothing since Monday when I asked my HR guy about timeline. threedham06/30/17
I received my EOD last week. fedhopeful107/05/17
I got my EOD this past Monday, so roughly 10 days after I di threedham07/05/17
Hi guys, been following this thread and its been a big help. fedguy07/06/17
That's what an earlier post stated, but I agree that it does anonlawyer150207/07/17
Pretty sure that's the case. Depends on the agency though. A lawrunner31707/07/17
Thanks guys. Its a great job, but the first couple of years fedguy07/07/17
That is def the case. It goes 11-12-13-13-14 in the VA 11/14 jayjd41007/07/17
Great info, thanks! I was the guy who asked about living in fedguy07/08/17
GS-11 in DC is very tough with student loans. You can get th dcm198307/08/17
that sounds really sweet. any thoughts on when the next hiri legaleagle22307/08/17
Nope. Although, I know they do plan to expand over the next dcm198307/08/17
The bringing more people in when the 1st-year hires can star kramer71607/08/17
Great info, thanks. I seem to remember that you are an A fedguy07/08/17
I would not rely on any one contact and certainly not jdunde dcm198307/08/17
Does anyone know how long training lasts? fedhopeful107/09/17
The training is constantly changing. I believe the current t dcm198307/09/17
is the boot camp in a group or individual? fedhopeful107/09/17
group dcm198307/10/17
Does your salary increase with steps throughout the year or anonlawyer150207/10/17
For most agencies (including VA), attorneys are put on a sor fedhopeful107/10/17
It's automatic grade increased until GS-13. After that, you dcm198307/10/17
are you aware of any attorneys that got fired at the VA for legaleagle22307/10/17
I have no idea what the numbers are, but yes they fire peopl dcm198307/10/17
Fair warning: the working environment is getting pretty bad ajones07/18/17
thanks for the heads up--I hear that you get to telework, th legaleagle22307/19/17
I would happily take the place of anyone who quit. If any on kramer71607/19/17

dcm1983 (Oct 26, 2016 - 11:45 am)

I have an interview with the VA board for an attorney advisor job soon. Can anyone answer these questions?

1. What questions can I expect in the interview?
2. Is the job secure? I heard rumors of layoffs in the past.
3. Do you get promoted to a higher grade every year with good performance until the 14 cap?
4. Is overtime mandatory?
5. How many days do they telework?
6. Are the production demands difficult?
7. What is the office environment like?
8. Is it better than the Ssa attorney advisor job?


Thanks!

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notthedroidyo (Nov 29, 2016 - 2:33 pm)

These sound like questions you should ask them...except #8

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usproud (Nov 29, 2016 - 1:53 pm)

Hi, i will have an interview with the VA board for an attorney advisor job soon, i would like to know how was your experience in the interview?

Thanks

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dcm1983 (Nov 29, 2016 - 3:39 pm)

It was a short, 15 minute interview with three people. The questions were fairly straightforward regarding my qualifications and how I would respond to adjudicator feedback, differences of opinion, time pressure, etc. It was friendly and there weren't any unusual questions.

Congrats on the interview!

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spaghetti (Dec 1, 2016 - 3:36 am)

My friend used to work there. It seemed awful, but was really dependent on the judges you worked for.

It's a heavy production, churn and burn kind of place. Turnover was constant because a lot of people hate the job. Lots of firings as well. Frankly from everything he told me it sounded terrible. If you're looking for a cushy fed job, look elsewhere.

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dcm1983 (Dec 1, 2016 - 8:16 am)

I heard that too, but they recently changed the production system to alleviate some of those concerns, and they hired hundreds of new attorneys. It looks better now.

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john09 (Dec 4, 2016 - 11:14 am)

How do you like your new job, dcm?

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dcm1983 (Dec 4, 2016 - 12:45 pm)

It's going well so far! Lots of new hires and everyone is pretty friendly and supportive. It seems like a good, professional environment focused on public service. GS-14 is non competitive, and the environment is collaborative. The revised production system appears to be reasonable and flexible. My only concern is office space. They don't have room for all of the new hires, but they will hopefully work around the problem with expanded telework.

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thermocutty (Dec 5, 2016 - 11:14 am)

Sounds nice! Glad you are enjoying it. I'm anxiously awaiting word after the interview. I'd be fine if they set me up in a broom closet.

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joshdoctson (Dec 5, 2016 - 11:41 am)

They're interviewing through the end of the week. For those who have already interviewed: did they give any time frame whatsoever? What is the parking situation like?

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thermocutty (Dec 5, 2016 - 11:51 am)

Seems like they called people with offers the next day based on what others have said. I guess that doesn't bode well for me since it's now been longer than that but no idea.

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js77 (Dec 5, 2016 - 12:36 pm)

I'm in the same boat thermocutty. I also had an interview on Thursday and haven't heard anything yet.

Thanks dcm for your reply!

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thermocutty (Dec 5, 2016 - 12:48 pm)

Well at least we can be nervous together then lol.

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kramer716 (Dec 5, 2016 - 1:35 pm)

At the very least I know they have interviews going on December 14th since that is when mine is. Thank you for doing this thread. I have been trying to figure out the questions asked, how long it takes to get an offer etc. Good luck to all those who have been interviewed.

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usproud (Dec 12, 2016 - 8:46 am)

I asked them about the time frame during the interview and they answer me that after their selection, human resource department have 14 days to contact the selected candidates.

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kramer716 (Dec 15, 2016 - 4:11 pm)

I got the same answer.

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t3success (Dec 12, 2016 - 9:27 am)

I applied for this job in September and have received no movement on my application whatsoever. Not even "referred" it just says "received."


Very sad!

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js77 (Dec 12, 2016 - 5:07 pm)

Did you guys get your photos taken for your ID badges on the first day of work or shortly after being fingerprinted?

I was told that we need to wait 48 hrs after being fingerprinted before we can get our photos taken. Unfortunately, going back and forth to VA Central Office is proving to be quite inconvenient given my current full time job.

Can we wait until we start to get our photos taken for the PIV cards?

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lawgirl2016 (Dec 15, 2016 - 10:56 pm)

Hi js77, I recently had an interview with BVA. How long did it take after your interview to find out that you were hired? Did you get a call/email? How long did your background check take? It looks like they are trying to start people within 1-2 months of their interview. Anyone else have insight as well? Thanks in advance!

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lawandwar (Dec 15, 2016 - 12:48 am)

Anyone else have their interview today?

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kramer716 (Dec 15, 2016 - 4:14 pm)

I had my interview in the morning. I couldn't get a read on the panel which doesn't give me that much confidence but who the hell knows. They were all nice but not overly excited. I went on the tour after the interview and saw the workspaces, overall had a good experience but just wish I had a better read on the panel.

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joshdoctson (Dec 15, 2016 - 4:24 pm)

Any cool insight on the building itself (cafeteria, parking,offices, floors and finishes, etc)? Also, what if anything did they say about start dates?

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kramer716 (Dec 16, 2016 - 1:15 pm)

I don't have many fresh insights. I took the metro and walked from Chinatown which I wouldn't recommend. Another person who was being interviewed did drive in from Baltimore, and she parked in a garage across the street, so there is close parking but no clue as to how much they charge. As for the building, I thought it was entirely VA, but I guess they only have a couple of floors. If we get hired, they will put us in a room that resembles a classroom with computers set up on long tables. The goal is to get the new hires into offices as soon as possible. You will probably have to share office space. If you last a year, then they allow you to telework, and it seems they prefer that you do that due to the lack of office space. They didn't say that, but that was the sense I got. I didn't see a cafeteria, but there were places to eat near the building.

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lawandwar (Dec 16, 2016 - 12:48 am)

I had my interview yesterday, it was a remote one and i didnt get a good read on the panel either. your right, who knows. hopefully we get hired.

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joshdoctson (Dec 15, 2016 - 8:04 am)

I wonder how much longer the agency plans to interview with the impending freeze. JS77- has HR sent you a start date yet? When are you providing your current employer notice?

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js77 (Dec 15, 2016 - 2:57 pm)

As of this time, I have not received a final offer or start date. I will give my current employer notice when I get a final offer.

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lawgirl2016 (Dec 15, 2016 - 10:57 pm)

I heard the budget through fiscal year 2017 is already set.

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thermocutty (Dec 16, 2016 - 3:57 pm)

Here is my update and timeline for reference:

-Applied mid-October.
-Referred earlyish November and then notified of interview later in the month.
-Remote interview on December 1 (pleasant but very short so I couldn't really tell what they thought of me).
-Notification of selection and tentative offer on Dec 9 (subject to starting clearance process i.e. fingerprints and some forms).
-Completed fingerprints earlier this week.
-Today I was told I'm cleared and to pick start dates between Dec 27, or Jan 8.

I assume the next step is a final offer and official start date. So far the process fairly painless and everyone at HR has been very responsive.

I assume they want to get as many people in before the inauguration just in case a hiring freeze is some sort of day 1 or day 30 initiative. Beyond that, I believe they genuinely need a lot of people. Looking at their 2015 annual report, the appeals backlog has increased over the last 5 years. A huge chunk of the claims come from Vietnam vets, so we probably haven't even seen the bulk of OIF/OEF claims that will come about. Also, service member awareness of VA benefits is very high. Based on my time in the military, I can say there are a lot of programs and benefits that go overlooked, but everyone knows about the VA and uses some of their benefits at one point or another. I'm guessing the VA will be fairly busy for another decade at least.

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kramer716 (Dec 16, 2016 - 4:20 pm)

Thank you very much for the timeline. Having a point of reference is good. I was trying to gauge how quick the turnaround was for a conditional offer.

Congratulations on your tentative offer and I hope that I get picked up as well. Good luck the rest of the way.

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lawandwar (Dec 16, 2016 - 7:57 pm)

Congratulations. I'm still awaiting the next step in the process. Hope I get picked up as well. How were you notified that you were selected.

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thermocutty (Dec 20, 2016 - 12:03 pm)

Via email. I heard some people got calls. I guess it depends on whichever HR person is handling your file.

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js77 (Dec 20, 2016 - 12:06 pm)

Thermo, have you received a firm offer yet? I'm still waiting for mine.

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thermocutty (Dec 20, 2016 - 12:19 pm)

Not yet. They did ask me to pick a start date as late as Jan 8, so I assume that will come prior.

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js77 (Dec 21, 2016 - 8:50 am)

It might take a while before we get our formal offers. I think HR is busy onboarding the class that starts next week and processing the new hires from the group that interviewed mid-December.

We probably get our formal offers next week after the new class starts.

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lawandwar (Dec 20, 2016 - 11:20 pm)

Did your usajob account status ever change?

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joshdoctson (Dec 21, 2016 - 12:48 am)

My USAJobs account status only changed after referral. It remains in that status even after receipt of my tenative offer.

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lawandwar (Dec 21, 2016 - 8:25 am)

What was your timeline from interviewing to being selected?

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joshdoctson (Dec 21, 2016 - 3:55 pm)

I interviewed remotely the week of December 5th (either Wednesday or Thursday) and received my tentative offer via email the following Monday.

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lawandwar (Dec 16, 2016 - 7:57 pm)

Congratulations. I'm still awaiting the next step in the process. Hope I get picked up as well. How were you notified that you were selected.

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kramer716 (Dec 20, 2016 - 4:52 pm)

I haven't heard anything either, but if they stay consistent regarding his timeline with us, then we should hear by the end of the week. Good luck to everyone.

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bvalw (Jan 8, 2017 - 9:49 pm)

did you need to do the eqip online background application? Was it processed prior to getting a start date or they conduct investigation while you already start working? Thanks!

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kramer716 (Dec 27, 2016 - 4:04 pm)

Just wanted to check in. Have any of the people who interviewed in mid-December heard anything?

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lawandwar (Dec 27, 2016 - 5:05 pm)

Nope. Interviews on 14th and no word yet.

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kramer716 (Dec 28, 2016 - 11:04 am)

They said to follow-up in about ten to twelve days after the interview, but I am going to wait until next Wed. I believe the person who said HR is getting a new class ready before they do new offers is correct. Plus, I think they are probably short-staffed this week due to vacations. Anyway, good luck to everyone who has interviewed and I hope to get to meet you all in DC soon. I well let you know what I learn from any follow-ups.

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lawandwar (Dec 28, 2016 - 11:10 am)

Yes I think they may be short staffed as well. I absolutely dread waiting- feels like I'm waiting on bar results all over again.

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js77 (Dec 28, 2016 - 9:09 am)

Hey thermocutty, have you received a firm offer as of today, Dec. 28?

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jddidtie (Dec 28, 2016 - 1:09 pm)

I got an email two weeks ago after my fingerprints saying I was cleared to enter on duty. Did you get something like that?

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js77 (Dec 28, 2016 - 3:08 pm)

Yes, I received the same email jdd. Have you received a formal offer yet? I assume you will be in the class that starts on January 9.

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thermocutty (Dec 30, 2016 - 11:03 am)

Hey! I got my final offer letter yesterday. I'm guessing yours is forthcoming if you haven't received it already. I'll see you there!

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joshdoctson (Jan 2, 2017 - 11:21 am)

I also received my final offer letter. Looking forward to meeting the rest of our pledge class next week!

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kramer716 (Jan 2, 2017 - 1:48 pm)

Congratulations on your offer. I am hoping that we hear next week either way. I forget who said it, but whoever said this feels like waiting for your bar results is correct Happy New Year to all and hopefully we will all be meeting in DC in a few weeks.

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kramer716 (Jan 5, 2017 - 1:58 pm)

I sent a follow-up e-mail to the person they told me to contact and so far, no response.

I hate waiting, but at least there is still hope. Good luck to everyone.

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lawandwar (Jan 5, 2017 - 2:31 pm)

This wait is ridiculous. Who did you send a follow up email to? I would just like to know something already.

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kramer716 (Jan 6, 2017 - 2:01 pm)

I sent the e-mail to the person who initially contacted me about my interview time. I still haven't heard anything so will try to send one again next week if I don't hear anything by Wed.

I buy into the sentiment that they are processing the class before us before doing our stuff. I think the BVA are in a time crunch to get everything done before Jan. 20th. I guess the positives we can take from not hearing anything is they haven't said no. I would be much more concerned if you heard something and I didn't and vice versa. Plus, I think if they hated either one of us then they would have just put out the rejection letter almost immediately.

Anyway, I guess we just have to stick with the good ole' saying "No news is good news." Good luck to you and will check back if I hear anything.

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lawandwar (Jan 6, 2017 - 2:14 pm)

Right no news is good news. If they hated us I'm sure we would hAve heard by now. I'm tired of stalking my email though!!! And I'm kind of at a standstill with my practice not knowing when I'd have to pick up and leave if the answer is yes. I just want someone to say something already.

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kramer716 (Jan 6, 2017 - 4:37 pm)

I got a reply. Basically said the HR team is small and that no news is good news. Gave me another e-mail to use to get more information. so will e-mail them now.

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lawandwar (Jan 6, 2017 - 6:24 pm)

That makes me feel better. Let me know what they say.

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bvalw (Jan 8, 2017 - 12:40 pm)

1) had interview on December 12th.
2) Got an email with Tentative offer on the 16th. In the email the person asked to call her office. I tried calling for about a week and went straight to vm, wouldn't reply to emails either. Eventually reached her and sent me an email with Tentative selection and fingerprint requirements.
3) Did finger prints on December 30th, was told to expect an email on the 30th or 31st with instructions. Never got the email until the January 6th. Had to do the eqip online application for background check.

Anyone who did number 3 already, how long AFTER that did you get a final official offer letter and a start date? Thanks in advance!

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js77 (Jan 8, 2017 - 10:07 pm)

Have your fingerprints cleared yet? You should receive a final offer when your fingerprints clear.

Your best bet would be to contact HR tomorrow to check on the status of your offer.

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bvalw (Jan 8, 2017 - 10:48 pm)

I did HR had no info. I do not see a reason why it wouldn't clear, but did everyone get the eqip code and online application or is it just for select candidates?

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joshdoctson (Jan 9, 2017 - 4:24 pm)

Orientation started today and it looks like they do orientations every 2 weeks, so take that for what it's worth.

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kramer716 (Jan 9, 2017 - 5:28 pm)

Appreciate the info. Sounds like if I get hired then Feb. 6th would be mine. Don't think they can get me processed before Jan. 23rd. So, knock on wood, we do get hired. How was orientation? They made it sound like you are in class for the first month before you get put on a team.

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lkskins (Jan 9, 2017 - 5:38 pm)

Hey Kramer, when did you interview? I was the 15th and I still have not gotten word yet either. I did the same as you and emailed the man who contacted me for the interview and was told to email a different address (which I have emailed twice with no reply) Definitely getting anxious LOL

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kramer716 (Jan 9, 2017 - 5:58 pm)

I interviewed on the 14th. I only emailed the new address once so far. I e-mailed them once before in October just to get a status and see what the process is and they got back to me in four days, so, knock on wood, the same thing happens this time. If it doesn't, I will try to shoot off an e-mail next week then probably try calling at the end of next week. If I get a response I will let you all know what I hear

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bvalw (Jan 11, 2017 - 12:51 pm)

if it helps anyone, got my official offer letter today. Start dates between the 17th and Feb 6th. See my timeline above.

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kramer716 (Jan 11, 2017 - 1:26 pm)

Thank you. It seems that everyone has been processed up through the people who interviewed on Dec. 12th. After December 12th, it appears that no one has heard anything. I sent an e-mail to HR to get a status, and they have yet to reply. Will probably send one more and then try calling sometime next week if I don't hear anything.

Congratulations on your offer, good luck to you and hopefully I will see you in a few weeks.

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lawandwar (Jan 11, 2017 - 1:40 pm)

Yes definitely seems that way. Wonder if the week of December 14th were the last interviews. Seem like we would have heard something by now

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lawandwar (Jan 11, 2017 - 1:41 pm)

Did you recieve it via email? From who I the agency? Trying to see if there's a direct person I can speak with or email.

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kramer716 (Jan 11, 2017 - 1:58 pm)

One person on here interviewed on the 15th, and they are still in the same situation as us.

What concerns me is the person who interviewed on Dec. 1st, and they received their conditional offer Dec. 9th, so eight-day turnaround. You have the person interviewed on Dec. 12th receive their conditional offer on Dec. 16th, so up to that point, it seemed like a pretty quick turnaround. I wasn't as concerned because was thinking that Christmas and the holiday season would slow things down, but now it is getting a bit more concerning. I am still holding on to the principle of "no news is good news.", but I am getting more nervous now.

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lawandwar (Jan 11, 2017 - 2:18 pm)

Me too, especially considering the fact that emails go unanswered, calls go to vm and then inauguration rumors about fed hiring freezes. I think no news is good news until I see someone who interviews on the 14/15th get an offer and I don't. I wonder if not selected, would we hear anything.

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bvalw (Jan 11, 2017 - 3:19 pm)

So I was one of the people with 12th interview and 16th conditional email offer. It was not until the 27th!!!! that I was finally able to reach out to HR (I called everyday since the 16th), I tried calling over 100 times if not more and left various voicemails and send many emails. Bottom line is without pointing any fingers, apparently, HR is slow because they hire way more than usual to try and beat a potential hiring freeze (which never really happens btw).

This is not to say you were 100% selected or not selected, but I would not give the timing too much thought.

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kramer716 (Jan 11, 2017 - 2:49 pm)

I sent an e-mail before to HR, and it took them four days to get back to me, so hopefully I hear by the end of the week.

As to the hiring freeze, I think it won't kick in until Feb. 1st if he does it and I believe if we receive our offers before then we are good. Do not hold me to that, but I think that is the situation so we can be offered Jan. 31st, hiring freeze kicks in Feb. 1st and we should still be fine, so I would say our dead man walking date is Jan. 31st if we don't hear anything.

I am hoping they let us know, but I have my doubts at this point. At the very least I hope they change our status on usajobs.gov.

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bvalw (Jan 11, 2017 - 3:20 pm)

Doubt a hiring freeze really gonna happen. But if it does, you will need your fingerprints to clear and get a firm offer letter prior I believe.

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kramer716 (Jan 11, 2017 - 3:24 pm)

The person who gave me the tour said that I think a conditional offer was sufficient, but she didn't really know so you may be right.

Anyway, fingerprints won't be an issue. I had to get fingerprinted for my last job so I can get those done ASAP. Would just hope to get the firm offer letter ASAP. I hope you are correct regarding the hiring freeze, though.

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bvalw (Jan 11, 2017 - 5:59 pm)

Trump says he wants a freeze that doesn't mean it'll happen. It happened last I think when Reagan was in office...

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joshdoctson (Jan 11, 2017 - 8:17 pm)

Dude, you're kidding yourself if you think it isn't happening.

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bvalw (Jan 11, 2017 - 8:31 pm)

That puts it a bit into perspective. I am not saying it won't happen, I am saying there's a high chance it won't. Besides, I would worry more about Trump closing out or merging certain departments then a possible hiring freeze. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-federal-agencies-job-openings-trump-20161230-story.html

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lkskins (Jan 12, 2017 - 10:12 am)

I am banking on the fact that you can't mess with the VA too much hahaha, but there was a hiring freeze in all but name during sequestration for attorneys at least so definitely hoping to get on board first...

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yulacu (Jan 12, 2017 - 10:54 am)

I used to work at the BVA and they hired hundreds of attorneys in the middle of sequester. I was there during the government shutdown and we continued to work and get our checks on time because the BVA had so much money. There may be a freeze in government hiring for some agencies, but I think the VA, CBP, and other GOP favorites aren't going to be on the chopping block.

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kramer716 (Jan 12, 2017 - 10:59 am)

Hope that trend continues. How did you like working for the BVA?

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yulacu (Jan 19, 2017 - 9:48 am)

Let's just say there is a lot of turnover there and I left for good reasons.

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kramer716 (Jan 20, 2017 - 3:06 pm)

Fair enough. I figured there would be a high amount of turnover, but I would still like the opportunity.

Are you still with the federal government?

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kramer716 (Jan 13, 2017 - 11:14 am)

A couple of things

First, I e-mailed HR again. I haven't received a response from the earlier e-mail but trying one last attempt before I start calling next week.

Second, as to the hiring freeze. When I check USAJOBS I always use the search term "Attorney Advisor." When I used that before I would usually get somewhere around 110 to 130 listings, not all for Attorney positions but you get the point. I searched a couple of days ago, and it's down to 88, and I searched yesterday, and it's down to 80. I could be way off, but it looks like a hiring freeze is coming. The BVA and Dept. of Veterans Affairs could be exempted out, but I would assume the worst.

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lawandwar (Jan 13, 2017 - 12:46 pm)

I think the va will be exempt from a potential freeze as it seems as if the va would be a necessary agency for a while. But I'm sure a lot of government agencies are preparing for a potential hiring freeze.

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kramer716 (Jan 13, 2017 - 1:14 pm)

Hopefully, it won't be an issue, but I am assuming the hiring freeze will happen, so I will try to get some clarity next week. Worse comes to worst; the BVA continues to ignore me.

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lawandwar (Jan 13, 2017 - 2:21 pm)

Right. We're in the same boat so far. Hopefully we here something next week

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kramer716 (Jan 16, 2017 - 11:46 pm)

Here is hoping we get the answer tomorrow. Just want some closure. Good luck.

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lkskins (Jan 17, 2017 - 12:13 am)

To you as well!

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kramer716 (Jan 18, 2017 - 2:16 pm)

Started calling and so far no answer. Just left a couple of voicemails. Will let you know if I get any response

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lkskins (Jan 19, 2017 - 6:44 pm)

What number have you been calling?

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kramer716 (Jan 20, 2017 - 3:03 pm)

I e-mailed the HR People back in October to get a status on the job search. A woman e-mailed me back, and there was a phone number attached for her, so I have been calling that. I have given up calling the last couple of days because of the inauguration. They shut down yesterday, and nothing is getting done today so will start again next week. If I don't get a reply, I will just call the main number and try that way.

Are you calling the main number?

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hopelesslyunemployed (Jan 20, 2017 - 8:43 pm)

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/which-executive-orders-did-trump-sign-on-day-1/

News is that the federal hiring freeze was ordered today.

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lkskins (Jan 23, 2017 - 11:14 am)

Hmm, so anyone else who interviewed mid-December still holding out hope for a call? Not sure what to think anymore!

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kramer716 (Jan 23, 2017 - 11:36 am)

I am still holding out hope. Will keep calling because I don't think we have anything to lose at this point. Haven't called today, but will try in a few.

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lkskins (Jan 23, 2017 - 11:53 am)

Hope you get through! I sent another e-mail this morning.

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bvalw (Jan 23, 2017 - 12:01 pm)

Took me 10 days for HR to actually pick up the phone, ignored all emails and voicemail, keep trying to call every hour. Not sure if it'll help but when I called early morning between 7:45 and 8:45 were the 2 times they answered.

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js77 (Jan 23, 2017 - 12:33 pm)

Trump has ordered a federal hiring freeze effective today.

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lawandwar (Jan 23, 2017 - 1:07 pm)

Have you heard from wherever the va specifically will not hire any more attorneys who interviewed around the 15th? I heard certain agencies including the Va would not be effected by a hiring freeze

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kramer716 (Jan 23, 2017 - 1:12 pm)

Don't know if the VA will be affected. At this point, I would say we probably won't be picked up, but I will keep calling. I just want a definitive answer either way before completely writing it off. I can get a temp job in another city, but don't want to commit to that lease and then hearing that the VA hired me. Anyway, good luck to you all. I will keep on calling and let you know what I hear. I will try 8 AM tomorrow.

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lkskins (Jan 23, 2017 - 1:36 pm)

Would you guys mind sharing the number you are calling? And yea, I just read the article on the freeze in the Post, sigh...

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lawandwar (Jan 23, 2017 - 1:57 pm)

I called 202 461 7843. thats HR. they never answer calls or return voicemails.

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kramer716 (Jan 23, 2017 - 2:16 pm)

I am calling the same number and getting the same results. Usually, rings twice and goes straight to voicemail.

If you want to try a plan B, and I have yet to call this number, but the number for the Chairman's Office is 202-632-4603. My guess is they will probably just tell you to talk to HR.

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lkskins (Jan 23, 2017 - 2:17 pm)

Thanks very much, still holding out for everyone.

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kramer716 (Jan 23, 2017 - 2:24 pm)

Good luck to you as well. IF you call the Chairman's Office let me know how it turns out, I will try tomorrow if I don't hear anything.

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lawandwar (Jan 23, 2017 - 7:19 pm)

Just heard on the news that trump placed a hiring freeze on all non-military government hiring. Think that means we're not getting picked up. 😢😳

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lawandwar (Jan 23, 2017 - 7:29 pm)

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-halts-hiring-of-federal-workers-freezes-pay-raises/ar-AAm8QWN?OCID=ansmsnnews11

Trump’s executive order states that “no vacant positions existing at noon on Jan. 22, 2017, may be filled and no new positions may be created, except in limited circumstances” though it does not apply to military personnel.

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bvalw (Jan 25, 2017 - 1:18 pm)

Anyone with start date after freeze was ordered heard anything? or anyone who is already on board and can find info?

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kramer716 (Jan 25, 2017 - 3:04 pm)

Did you get a firm offer or did you just get the tentative offer? Either way I hope everything works out for you.

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bvalw (Jan 25, 2017 - 3:28 pm)

My firm offer letter was supposed to be sent Monday I believe, haven't gotten a word yet.

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kramer716 (Jan 25, 2017 - 5:32 pm)

Yeah, Monday seemed to be when everything stopped. An earlier post said they started the training every two weeks so yours would be Feb. 6th if they still have it. I was projecting that would have been mine until all this crap happened.

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lawandwar (Jan 25, 2017 - 6:31 pm)

does anyne have any insight on how long the freeze will happen? Is it indefinite or a certain amount of time?

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joshdoctson (Jan 25, 2017 - 6:39 pm)

Absent amendment or expedited attrition plan, the freeze elapses in 90 days.

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kramer716 (Jan 25, 2017 - 11:41 pm)

http://www.stripes.com/news/democrats-urge-trump-to-exempt-veterans-va-from-90-day-federal-hiring-freeze-1.450645

We may have some hope. It seems that Congress is trying to get Drumpf to exempt the VA and veterans in general from the hiring freeze. Here is hoping that they are successful.

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downwardslope (Jan 26, 2017 - 7:54 am)

VA and CDC are still posting positions. I think they are still aiming for the freeze that exempts public health positions.

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lawandwar (Jan 26, 2017 - 8:33 am)

If any hiring happens during this time, I believe attorneys won't be on the priority list.

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kramer716 (Jan 26, 2017 - 8:54 am)

What gives us some hope is that the new VA head has been there a while, so he knows that part of what they do is handle appeals and a lot of the time veterans can't move forward without a successful appeal. He needs attorneys to process those appeals, so outside shot that there may be some gymnastics done to keep lawyers coming. This is if it remains status quo.

What gives us hope is if they exempt the VA then they can just go forward pre-hiring freeze, and hopefully that is the case.

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lawandwar (Jan 26, 2017 - 9:23 am)

Yes hope so. At this point I'm sort of stuck trying to figure out our next move; whether to move or not. Hopefully va will be exempt all together

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kramer716 (Jan 26, 2017 - 9:29 am)

Agreed. This is the sense I get regarding President Trump so far. He will say whatever, for example, he says he loves waterboarding. We need to fight fire with fire. Waterboarding works etc. etc. But I like General Mattis, and if Mattis doesn't want to waterboard then, we don't do waterboarding, etc., etc. He always has an opinion, but he seems to always defer to the people around him, so hopefully the head of the VA will let him know that they need people fast because they have been short-staffed forever.

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lawandwar (Jan 26, 2017 - 10:03 am)

Yes I agree with that. Hopefully they can convince him to lift the freeze over the va. It sucks to be waiting to hear back just to get hit with a freeze. I'd feel better if I heard something before the freeze though

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bvalw (Jan 26, 2017 - 10:15 am)

Asked HR whether or not the OMB memo is binding, only got the "when we have something to say we will let you know" -- was supposed to start on the 6th but have no idea if it happens or not.

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kramer716 (Jan 26, 2017 - 10:30 am)

I am impressed you got a response at all. Good job on that. Did you get it via a phone call or e-mail?

Hope you can still start on Feb. 6th. Good luck to you

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lawandwar (Jan 26, 2017 - 10:41 am)

I am so mad at this situation, especially seeing how you were to start on the 6th. Im surprised you were even able to get through. Prayerfully, the freeze will be lifted and we can continue with business as usual.

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lkskins (Jan 26, 2017 - 1:21 pm)

Ugggh, better get on a doc review for a few weeks -_-

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kramer716 (Jan 26, 2017 - 3:06 pm)

Same here. What city do you do doc review in?

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lkskins (Jan 26, 2017 - 8:41 pm)

I'm local in DC, not on anything though :(

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kramer716 (Jan 26, 2017 - 11:46 pm)

HOw is the doc review market in DC? If you want a project can you get on pretty quickly? I may be following your lead while we wait for the freeze to be resolved

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lkskins (Jan 27, 2017 - 9:57 am)

If you are Barred in DC, there are a lot of options, if you aren't you have to look for the projects that allow non-DC bar. If you can handle the OT/boredom I know people who make almost 100k doing it though.

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kramer716 (Jan 27, 2017 - 10:21 am)

Damn, alright DC is probably out. I am not barred in DC but can waive in. May have to look at Philly, Pittsburgh, Detroit, etc.

I wouldn't want to do it as a career. I would just want something for the next few months until they lift the freeze.

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bvalw (Jan 27, 2017 - 7:47 am)

Not sure if it's going to help anyone:

HR confirmed in an email the following:

Anyone with a start date PRIOR to February 22 is still good to come on. Anyone with offer and start date AFTER February 22nd should call HR to see what their options are.

Those without any offer at this time likely to have to wait till freeze is lifted in 90 days.

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kramer716 (Jan 27, 2017 - 8:31 am)

That does help. Just wish they sent out a mass e-mail of some sort to all of us saying that, or a letter. Anyway, on to document review, I guess.

Thank you again and good luck to you.

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lawandwar (Jan 27, 2017 - 9:06 am)

I had an interview but haven't recieved an offer yet so I guess we'll wait to the freeze is over to see.

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kramer716 (Jan 27, 2017 - 9:23 am)

Yep pretty much. Would go to your plan B. Time to learn about the world of Document Review.

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lawandwar (Jan 27, 2017 - 10:20 am)

;yes thats my plan b now

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kramer716 (Jan 27, 2017 - 10:23 am)

I feel your pain. Sadly I am in the black hole of document review. Not a lot of demand among the cows so will have to peg a city that has cheap short-term housing and pray for the hiring freeze to thaw quickly.

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yulacu (Jan 27, 2017 - 4:09 pm)

"The Department of Veterans Affairs intends to exempt anyone it deems necessary for public health and safety, including frontline caregivers,” Acting Veterans Affairs Secretary Robert Snyder said. “The President and VA remain committed to seeing that our Veterans receive the quality care and benefits they’ve earned. This is the right thing to do for our Veterans.”

Looks like it will have a direct impact on BVA hiring for the next 90 days.

https://www.va.gov/opa/publications/factsheets/Signed-Exemption-to-Hiring-Freeze-Memo-with-Exempted-Occupations-1-27-2017.pdf

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yulacu (Jan 27, 2017 - 4:09 pm)

"The Department of Veterans Affairs intends to exempt anyone it deems necessary for public health and safety, including frontline caregivers,” Acting Veterans Affairs Secretary Robert Snyder said. “The President and VA remain committed to seeing that our Veterans receive the quality care and benefits they’ve earned. This is the right thing to do for our Veterans.”

Looks like it will have a direct impact on BVA hiring for the next 90 days.

https://www.va.gov/opa/publications/factsheets/Signed-Exemption-to-Hiring-Freeze-Memo-with-Exempted-Occupations-1-27-2017.pdf

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kramer716 (Jan 27, 2017 - 4:28 pm)

Thank you for the confirmation. I think the Democrats are still trying to get the VA entirely exempt from the hiring freeze but that seems to be a longshot. Alrighty then, document review it is.

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hopelesslyunemployed (Jan 27, 2017 - 5:03 pm)

i didn't see attorney adviser on that list

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lawandwar (Jan 27, 2017 - 6:38 pm)

Right. Only public safety and other healthcare givers, not attorneys. So we'll have to wait until the freeze is over

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kramer716 (Feb 10, 2017 - 7:29 pm)

Just wanted to check in with the people that did accept their job offers with the VA. How do you like the position? Are you guys still doing the classroom portion of the job? If you are done doing the classroom training, then what is your typical day for you? Do a lot of people come in on the weekends, or does everyone pretty much do 40 hours a week? Finally, is there any chatter that once they lift the hiring freeze in April, will they start the mass hiring again?

Any information you guys can provide would be greatly appreciated. I hope you all are enjoying DC. I do love that city. Anyway, thank you in advance.

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thermocutty (Feb 18, 2017 - 3:23 pm)

I can offer some of my impressions but keep in mind I have only been here slightly over a month and I am still in the classroom phase (although they started our classroom portion later so I've had the chance to work a couple normal work weeks where I wrote decisions under supervision). I also came here from a high-stress, complex commercial litigation firm so that likely affects how I perceive certain pros/cons.

-The new attorney training system is very good. You get a month-long class on the ins and outs of veterans law plus a designated mentor that helps you and checks your work for the first three months. I assume mentor quality will vary by person but mine has been great thus far. This is pretty much the complete opposite of the trial-by-fire, sink-or-swim situations that often occur in our profession. Some may not like all the hand-holding but I find it comforting.

-Work life balance is great. This may be different for supervisors and attorneys who have taken on extra duties, but the cultural expectation is you do your work during your designated work hours and then your time is your time. OT is available to those who need it but it needs to be scheduled in advance. There are no crisis phone calls while on vacation or last minute midnight filing frenzies.

-I find the actual legal work is easier than what I did previously, but it's not as easy as one might think. Some of the claim files can be quite large and it can take a while to review all the evidence and pinpoint important issues in order to make a decision on a claim. The actual writing part, however, is very simple as they don't want you to reinvent the wheel on anything when it comes to language. I know that's a common legal trope but here it applies doubly so. Some may find that stifling but I have found it a relief after my last job.

-The building is bursting at the seams with the new hires. I am in a conference room with a bunch of other new attorneys. It's good for making new friends but it's a far cry from the very nice office I had in my last job. They are working on getting new space for everyone, though. They are also encouraging flex and telework schedules but that's only available to those who have been employed more than year I believe.

-I've heard hallway talk that they still want to bring on more after the freeze but I have no idea how accurate that is. Prior to coming here I was a little skeptical as to how so many attorneys could be necessary, but I see it now. The claims process is incredibly veteran friendly and imposes a substantial number of procedural requirements on the VA, which makes filing a claim much easier than actually resolving a claim...much less one on appeal.

-So far, I am very happy here. So much so that maybe I overlook negatives. GS-11 pay in DC is pretty rough. I am holding out for the first grade increase. I can also see how people might get bored of cranking out opinions over and over. If you're the type that feeds on the thrill of litigation, then you might not like it here. I, however, am loving my newfound freedom from the litigation circus. If the grade increases go as advertised, I don't really see a reason to ever leave.

-It's nice that this job undoubtedly has a noble purpose. With that said, the work is not very sexy from a lawyering standpoint. If you're the type that likes to have war stories and the most prestigious sounding job description (at least to other attorneys), then you may feel unfulfilled in that regard. With THAT said, I've long recognized that a job is a job, and I really feel like this a good one.

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kramer716 (Feb 21, 2017 - 1:30 pm)

Thank you very much for your reply. I am happy to hear that you are having a great experience. I have enough litigation war stories, so would love to try something different. I love DC and the job sounds great, so it would be good to have the opportunity to work there and earn my way up.

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lawyerdc (Mar 20, 2017 - 12:32 pm)

I am interested in chatting with you as I am also coming from a high stress litigation practice (9 yrs. of experience. I need my life back!) I would like to hear your perspective on what it is like to make the change. Can you e-mail me? lawyerdc748@gmail.com

Thanks.

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oddis500 (Feb 17, 2017 - 9:28 pm)

Curious how things are going as well. Any idea if there will be any more hires? Are those who have accepted happy with the job?

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whynot (Feb 19, 2017 - 3:31 pm)

I work at the Board as a judge. Have been here a long time including doing the attorney/writing job. I'm happy to try to answer any questions anyone has.

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oddis500 (Feb 20, 2017 - 2:24 pm)

Hi Whynot,
Thanks for answering a few questions. I'm currently a Fed Attorney in an area (both geographically and area of law) I'm not crazy about. Do you believe that 1) the VA plans on hiring additional Attorney Advisors and that 2) the position offers the same type of career path that a General Attorney position does?
Also, once you are allowed to work from home after your initial 12 months, are there any restrictions on where you can live? How many days a month are you required to actually go into the office?
Thanks so much for your input.

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whynot (Feb 20, 2017 - 5:06 pm)

Yes the Board will hire more Attorney Advisors once the hiring freeze is lifted or we get an exemption. We will hire about 60 more. The career ladder for the Attorney Advisor position at the Board goes to GS-14. 11-12-13-13-14 (2 years at GS-13). The promotion to 14 is non-competitive although you do have to demonstrate you can handle complex appeals. Virtually everyone makes 14. There are opportunities beyond GS-14 including judge.

Telework is allowed after 1 year, come into the office once a week.

After 2 years you are eligible to do remote telework and live anywhere you want and come in up to 4 times a year (at the government's expense).

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oddis500 (Feb 20, 2017 - 7:23 pm)

Great thanks for taking the time.

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kramer716 (Feb 21, 2017 - 9:07 am)

I appreciate that you are taking the time to answer questions.

I have a couple, and I hope you can answer them. First, I interviewed for a position on Dec. 14th, and it seemed the way you guys were hiring is based on the day you interviewed, so just based on here I think your office got up to Dec. 12th. My question may be a stupid question, but never been through a hiring freeze before, what happens to the people who were in the middle of the process like myself? The individuals who applied, were referred, and were interviewed but never received a hiring decision either way. Will our applications be scratched and we have to start over from square one? Will you guys just go in there on April 23rd and take the list of all the people who interviewed before the hiring freeze and keep going like before.

The last question, assuming I get hired, can I come into the office and work on weekends if I want to, or do I need to get advance permission to do that? At my previous position I used to love to go in on weekends for a few hours and work, so would just like to have that option available if possible.

Thank you again for your help. I know the first question is long, but just trying to figure out where I, and the other people on here who are in my situation, stand. It would be a privilege and honor to work for your office, and I hope when this is over that we have that opportunity.

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whynot (Feb 21, 2017 - 7:53 pm)

I believe we will pick up the process from where we left it off when the freeze is lifted, meaning no new application is needed. However, I am not directly involved with that decision and I would urge you to contact the HR contact on the announcement to get a more certain answer.

As for weekend work, advance approval is needed if you are going to be working OT for extra pay. OT is often available (depending on budget) generally after you have been here a year.

If you want to just come in on your own time to do work on the weekends when it is quiet and you can focus better, that's fine. Have at it.

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kramer716 (Feb 22, 2017 - 2:20 pm)

Thank you for the information. I am glad to hear that you will pick up where you left off when President Trump lifts the hiring freeze. I tried contacting HR before and didn't receive a response, so have been trying to share information with other people on here to get a better idea as to what is going on. I completely understand why they were unavailable because they were trying to process every applicant who did receive an offer, at least that is my assumption.

I also appreciate the fact that if I am fortunate enough to be hired, I will be able to work on weekends. I did that when I worked on Guam, and I would like that option again.

Thank you again for taking the time to answer our questions. It is appreciated.

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kramer716 (Feb 24, 2017 - 1:22 pm)

One final question if you don't mind, do you know if the old saying, "No news is good news" applies? Hypothetically, I am wondering if your office interviewed an applicant, and the interviewers knew they wouldn't be hiring that candidate, then a rejection letter would be sent out shortly after the interview. Since I, and a few of the other posters on here, were interviewed and didn't hear anything. I am hoping that we still have a shot, and the only reason that we haven't heard anything definitive is due to the hiring freeze. I realize this is more of an HR question, but just wondering if you heard anything through the grapevine.

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whynot (Feb 25, 2017 - 2:59 pm)

I wish I had some insight to this but I don't know. I'm not directly involved enough with the hiring to know.

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kramer716 (Feb 26, 2017 - 12:51 am)

No worries. I appreciate all the information that you have provided. Hopefully, when they lift the hiring freeze, HR will pick us up. I hope you had/have a great weekend depending on when you see this post.

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lkskins (Mar 13, 2017 - 6:28 pm)

Hey Kramer, had any luck contacting hr? I've been doing doc review not blocks from the interview building and it's very demoralizing hahaha though catching up I this thread had helped my spirits!

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kramer716 (Mar 14, 2017 - 1:18 pm)

I never had any luck getting ahold of anyone, although I stopped in January after President Drumpf signed the hiring freeze. I will start up again when the hiring freeze is about to expire. From what whynot said on here it looks like they are seeking to hire an additional sixty attorneys when the freeze is lifted, and since we were already interviewed, they can move fast on bringing us in. For now, we are in a holding pattern. Good times.

I assume we don't have to do anything further once the hiring freeze is lifted, but will post on here if I hear anything different

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lkskins (Mar 15, 2017 - 2:35 pm)

Well I sure hope so! Hopefully we meet sometime in the future at work!

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kramer716 (Mar 17, 2017 - 2:14 pm)

Agreed. Hopefully we get hired and end up in a class with decent people. Good luck.

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lawyerdc (Mar 20, 2017 - 12:25 pm)

hi all. I have been reading this thread for awhile but haven't posted. I was one of the ones who had a start date after Feb 20 so I got held up in the hiring freeze.

I'm happy to report that I received a final offer letter last week and I now have a start date. Good luck to everyone who is waiting, hopefully things will start moving again as I have some friends who are interested in the job.

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kramer716 (Mar 20, 2017 - 1:39 pm)

If you don't mind me asking, do you remember when you interviewed for the position? The sense that I got was that they were processing everyone based on the day they were interviewed. They seemed to have processed everyone up through December 12th, and as far as I can tell everyone who was interviewed after Dec. 12th were the ones in a holding pattern. I am curious if you were interviewed after December 12th.

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lkskins (Apr 3, 2017 - 1:48 pm)

Friend of mine said she heard the board was starting to hire again, anyone seen anything or spoken to anyone?

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kramer716 (Apr 3, 2017 - 1:53 pm)

Nope. What I heard is the VA wants to hire about 60 more attorneys once the freeze is lifted. I sent an email last week because it seemed other agencies were starting to hire again based on USAJOBS, and received no response. The posting on USAJOBS expired last month, so it seems like everything is status quo.

Hiring freeze expires April 23rd

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lkskins (Apr 11, 2017 - 11:17 pm)

http://m.govexec.com/management/2017/04/trump-ends-federal-hiring-freeze-workforce-cuts-loom/136942/?oref=GovExectco

Looks like it's ending early, fingers crossed

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lawandwar (Apr 11, 2017 - 11:28 pm)

whoa. fingers double crossed

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kramer716 (Apr 12, 2017 - 1:18 pm)

NICE! I sent an email last month following up and never received any reply. I may try one more time, but it seems HR isn't talking anymore. Hopefully, they pick us up. Good luck to you all.

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lawandwar (Apr 12, 2017 - 1:43 pm)

Ive tried calling and it goes straight to voicemail- i think they arent talking anymore either. Hopefully we get picked up or its bar prep for me.

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downwardslope (Apr 12, 2017 - 1:47 pm)

Did you have a Tentative Offer before the freeze?

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kramer716 (Apr 12, 2017 - 1:51 pm)

No tentative offers. It appeared they were processing everyone based on the date they interviewed for the job. They got up to December 12th before the freeze, and I was interviewed on December 14th, so hopefully they continue where they left off. They are allegedly looking to hire sixty more attorneys, so we shall see.

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lawandwar (Apr 12, 2017 - 2:32 pm)

no offer, just an interview December 14th and then the freeze happened.

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downwardslope (Apr 12, 2017 - 7:20 pm)

Hopefully you both hear something in the next couple of weeks. Since the listing just officially closed I would not think they would have to repost.

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kramer716 (Apr 13, 2017 - 2:33 pm)

I sent one final email to HR. Just asked for a timeline. I doubt I will hear anything back, but figured it is worth a shot.

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lkskins (Apr 14, 2017 - 6:02 pm)

Haha me too, I'm sure they are receiving a lot, I'm going to call on Monday.

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govlaw (Apr 17, 2017 - 10:44 am)

https://www.reddit.com/r/washingtondc/comments/65vnme/the_freeze_is_lifted_but_still_in_essentially_in/

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kramer716 (Apr 17, 2017 - 11:14 am)

chrome-extension://oemmndcbldboiebfnladdacbdfmadadm/http://1yxsm73j7aop3quc9y5ifaw3.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/VA-Secretary-Memo-March-13-2017-Exemptions.pdf

It appears that in March the VA exempted Attorney Advisor from the hiring freeze, so even if he is unofficially keeping the hiring freeze in place, we can be picked up.

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lawandwar (Apr 17, 2017 - 11:36 am)

That's encouraging

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kramer716 (Apr 17, 2017 - 1:11 pm)

It's nice to know that he exempted the position, but I am a bit concerned that they lifted the freeze for us since March, and no one has heard anything. If we are not going to be picked up, then I wish they would tell us.

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fedatty13 (Apr 18, 2017 - 4:40 pm)

Just got an email about confirming my tentative offer and information about onboarding. Thing is I turned down the offer back in September. No idea what's going on but maybe they're back to hiring and onboarding again. Good luck all

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lkskins (Apr 18, 2017 - 9:18 pm)

Thanks for the update!! I imagine things are pretty out of order there so hopefully all of it is just confusion for a bit and then gets straightened out.

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kramer716 (Apr 19, 2017 - 1:23 pm)

Agreed. I did receive an update for the SSA position that I applied for, but nothing regarding the VA. Here is hoping the VA makes their offers soon.

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oddis500 (Apr 20, 2017 - 1:15 am)

It's interesting that they reposted the position today. It's as if they are starting anew. Honestly, the more I hear about the job, the more I think I'll stay where I am (another Fed Gov position). The new posting today only has a promotional potential of a 12. Why would anyone do that?

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downwardslope (Apr 20, 2017 - 6:25 am)

They have another one they occasionally post that is up for a few days. They canceled it yesterday. I assume the certificate must have expired during the freeze. It is posted at GS-11/12 to start, while the other one is only posted at GS-11 to start. I don't think it is the same position.

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dcm1983 (Apr 20, 2017 - 6:20 am)

It's not the same job. Read the description and compare. Pros: you can start at 12 instead of 11 and this job might be less stressful as far as production/deadlines are concerned. Cons: doesn't go to 13/14, but that doesn't mean you can't apply for a different job at a higher grade later.

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bullah (Apr 20, 2017 - 12:56 pm)

Interesting. But would you go from a 12 back to 11 for Attorney Advisor position?

Also, under GS system do you start at 11, step 1?

Thanks.

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downwardslope (Apr 20, 2017 - 1:29 pm)

Once you get time in grade at gs-12 you can apply for gs-13. The people in the ladder position would presumably not have to compete to get gs-13 once they have time in grade at 12 and meet production requirements.

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kramer716 (Apr 20, 2017 - 1:22 pm)

It is a different job but will take it if offered.

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bullah (Apr 20, 2017 - 7:25 pm)

Any of you posters vets? Does that seem to help getting interview?

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bullah (Apr 20, 2017 - 7:25 pm)

Any of you posters vets? Does that seem to help getting interview?

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lawandwar (Apr 21, 2017 - 12:15 pm)

Oddly recieved another referral letter today, just like the one i received last year before my interview! Perhaps they are just starting to get things together> Hopefully this leads to a tentative offer.

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lawrunner317 (Apr 21, 2017 - 12:47 pm)

I just got another referral today too.

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mararum (Apr 21, 2017 - 1:05 pm)

So I got an ineligible but submitted all my materials. Could anyone explain what I messed up?

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downwardslope (Apr 21, 2017 - 1:10 pm)

Did you get the 2 non referred 1 referred email? Or totally ineligible? Is 1 year experience required for this? I applied before the freeze so I cannot remember.

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mararum (Apr 21, 2017 - 1:27 pm)

I got one totally ineligible email. It was not nonreferred. I qualify under both work experience and education so it was a little what the hell.

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jdmaryland (Apr 21, 2017 - 1:20 pm)

My email today said "not referred, referred, not referred". I interviewed in the fall. I've received this email twice now and have asked HR what it means but never received a response.

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lawandwar (Apr 21, 2017 - 2:15 pm)

Yes i got two non reffered and one referred for the same position in interviewed for in the fall before the freeze. Maybe the are getting ready to make some decisions.

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lkskins (Apr 21, 2017 - 1:36 pm)

I also got the resent referral letters today...

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kramer716 (Apr 21, 2017 - 2:42 pm)

I also received the new referral letter, although my pattern was referred, not-referred, not-referred.

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lkskins (Apr 21, 2017 - 3:00 pm)

I checked on the VA application portal and mine is an exact copy of the one I got in November I have feeling they are reissuing them due to the length of time, hopefully we can skip the interviews if I'm right hahaha

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kramer716 (Apr 21, 2017 - 3:24 pm)

Agreed, although it wouldn't surprise me if they have us interview again.

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lkskins (Apr 21, 2017 - 4:30 pm)

Dammit I think I just got an email telling me I'm not the best qualified

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kramer716 (Apr 21, 2017 - 4:37 pm)

Same, and I am a bit pis-ed. If I just received the rejection then no worries, but to get the first referral email then the rejection is annoying. They can't just send out one email?

We probably have no shot, but I am not closing the door yet. If they screwed up by sending out the original email, then there is a chance they screwed up by sending out the rejection email. Again I don't understand why two emails were needed.

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lawrunner317 (Apr 21, 2017 - 4:48 pm)

My second email was a referral.

First was not referred, not referred, referred if that makes any difference.

Also, I never heard anything from them in the fall after applying in November. Today is the first contact they made with me.

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kramer716 (Apr 21, 2017 - 4:52 pm)

Looks like you have a decent shot then. I really don't understand the need for two emails in about a four hour period. Good luck.

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lawrunner317 (Apr 21, 2017 - 4:59 pm)

Not holding my breath on this one.

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lawandwar (Apr 21, 2017 - 4:51 pm)

im out. just got a letter saying not among highest qualified.

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kramer716 (Apr 21, 2017 - 4:55 pm)

Ah welcome to the island of misfit toys. I am annoyed at the way that we were rejected. If the decision to reject us was made after we interviewed then, maybe a rejection letter should have been sent out in December. They need to wait to the hiring freeze expires to not hire you?

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lkskins (Apr 21, 2017 - 4:56 pm)

I received a rejection from another position too so it seems like today was the big day to send out letters, annoying to not be referred even after interviewing after being referred

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kramer716 (Apr 21, 2017 - 4:58 pm)

Was it from the VA as well? I am still waiting to hear from Albuquerque for the SSA, but am not holding my breath on that one.

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lkskins (Apr 21, 2017 - 5:08 pm)

Nah it was from another agency ugh

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lkskins (Apr 21, 2017 - 5:18 pm)

Looking back to fedatty's post, they might be sending out referred letters to people who already moved on or turned them down so I don't know what to think anymore lol

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lawandwar (Apr 21, 2017 - 5:35 pm)

I cant lie, im completely discouraged. Ive been waiting since October last year to hear something, anything. Calling and leaving unanswered voicemails and emails. now this? like this? really, its like that? I blame trump.

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lkskins (Apr 21, 2017 - 6:07 pm)

They weren't lying when they said the VA was in the dumps I guess lolol but yea it's hard to keep going back and forth. Ugh.

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kramer716 (Apr 21, 2017 - 8:11 pm)

Yeah, I am not pleased. If I just received the rejection email, then I would have been disappointed, but I would not be as angry. I would still be ticked that the VA didn't send out the rejection stuff immediately after the interviews, or during the hiring freeze. I don't know why they would have to wait until the freeze was lifted to not hire people, but here we are. It's the fact that they sent out an email that seemed positive 4.5 hours before they sent out the rejection email. Are we referred or are we rejected? If we are rejected then why not change our status on USAJOBS to make it clear, this could have and should have been handled much better.

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lawandwar (Apr 21, 2017 - 8:33 pm)

I wholeheartedly agree. why build me up to let me down. This couldve been handled alot better, 6 full months of waiting for a lousy rejection letter. Not Highly qualified buy Highly disappointed!

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kramer716 (Apr 21, 2017 - 8:45 pm)

I pulled a Don Quixote and am charging another windmill. I sent out an email to the contact address listed asking for clarification. I know I will not hear anything, but I would like some semblance of an explanation as to what changed in less than five hours.

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lawandwar (Apr 21, 2017 - 8:54 pm)

I would like to know what their response is whenever they respond..

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kramer716 (Apr 21, 2017 - 8:58 pm)

Yeah I am not holding my breath, but I will let everyone know what the response is if I get one

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oddis500 (Apr 21, 2017 - 8:06 pm)

I wouldn't lose hope guys. I got notified that I WAS referred today, and I haven'e even interviewed. I don't think it means anything. I'm sure you guys that were interviewed have a much better shot than someone like me who never even got a call. Don't let this get you down- I don't think it actually means anything.

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kramer716 (Apr 21, 2017 - 8:15 pm)

The sad thing is no one knows. What it probably means is the VA interviewed us and didn't like us. You still have a shot because you were referred and have yet to go through the interview process, so they may still pick you up. Good luck with the process moving forward.

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lawandwar (Apr 21, 2017 - 8:35 pm)

Thats how the process works- you get referred and eventually an invitation to interview> you interview and then wait to be hired or get another referred notice like the one we recieved today. Good Luck.

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lkskins (Apr 23, 2017 - 6:45 pm)

Hi Oddis, do you mind if I ask when you applied for the position?

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lawrunner317 (Apr 23, 2017 - 6:59 pm)

I'm in the same boat as Oddis. FWIW I applied in early November. I'll let you know if I hear anything this week.

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downwardslope (Apr 23, 2017 - 9:18 pm)

I think they referred a whole lot of people. I got one of the SSA positions, but applied for this one right at the beginning of the year (before the freeze). I know someone else who applied to the VA at the same time as the SSA positions (mid-March) and got referred. So I think they just referred everyone again.

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lkskins (Apr 23, 2017 - 9:42 pm)

Yea, I think what confused some of us is that we were referred, and interviewed back in November, and then when the new referral letters came out we received "you are not the highest qualified" letters shortly afterward even though we had already interviewed :(

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downwardslope (Apr 23, 2017 - 10:10 pm)

Did you get the two letters? I got two as well. It doesn't appear that they have much together. One seemed to say I was not the highest qualified for 2 numbers and gave me a referral for a third number.

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kemken (Apr 24, 2017 - 9:44 am)

Hey everyone. New to the thread. I got the same strange referral letter for the BVA position and it took me a while to decipher it. Hopefully I'll get an interview and we'll see how everything goes. Wish everyone else all the best in this process.

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trophy2017 (Apr 24, 2017 - 11:24 am)

I am also new to the thread. I too received the same referral letter. After reading this recent thread, I have no clue what to think. If I hear anything, I will be sure to share.

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kramer716 (Apr 24, 2017 - 2:33 pm)

Just based on a pure gut instinct, but I think if you interviewed and received a rejection email to go along with the referral email last week, then I believe you are not going to be considered. If you never interviewed and were referred, then you still have a shot. I hope I am wrong on that, and I sent an email to HR seeking clarification, but not holding my breath. Wish everyone on here nothing but the best.

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jewels (Apr 28, 2017 - 11:56 am)

Did anyone who received a referral notice last week get a call from HR to schedule an interview?

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oddis500 (Apr 28, 2017 - 2:47 pm)

I got nothing. Haven't heard a peep. This process seems to be directionless.

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kramer716 (Apr 28, 2017 - 5:55 pm)

I can't remember the exact timeline, but when I was referred in the fall I didn't receive the appointment to interview immediately. I think it took a couple weeks before I heard anything. To give you some idea what to expect, I received an email saying "Congratulations. You are scheduled to interview with the BVA at 9:30 on December 14th. etc. etc. etc. " I wouldn't worry if you haven't heard anything yet.

Also the email did not come from anyone related to HR. My email came from an administrative assistant.

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oddis500 (Apr 28, 2017 - 6:08 pm)

Ok, thanks for the info. Any hope is better than none ha.

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kramer716 (Apr 28, 2017 - 6:13 pm)

Yeah I wouldn't worry too much. My guess is you will be interviewed sooner rather than later. You may not be hired, but I think you will be interviewed soon.

Just to add in a few more details, as I said I wasn't given an opportunity to say when I want to be interviewed. They just assigned you a time. I believe you can be interviewed over the phone if necessary, but I didn't ask for that so I don't know how that process works.

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oddis500 (Apr 29, 2017 - 1:03 am)

Great thanks again. Hopefully everyone will start hearing something soon.

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kramer716 (Apr 29, 2017 - 8:57 am)

No worries. Good luck.

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lkskins (May 8, 2017 - 3:43 pm)

How is everyone doing hahaha anyone had any progress?

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lawrunner317 (May 8, 2017 - 3:59 pm)

Nada

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oddis500 (May 8, 2017 - 9:23 pm)

Crickets

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fedatty13 (May 9, 2017 - 8:30 am)

Hey guys just a heads up, I got a phone call last week asking if I was still interested. If you saw my earlier message, I declined the offer in September. The guy on the phone told me that his group was taking over for a previous group dealing with hiring so they are trying to get the mess sorted. I'm sure it sucks not hearing anything, but it may not necessarily be bad news, they seem to be very disorganized. Good luck.

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lkskins (May 10, 2017 - 10:09 am)

Thanks for telling us! Definitely appreciate it. Just glad my review project is going extra long hahaha

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downwardslope (May 11, 2017 - 3:48 pm)

I heard interviews are starting up again in a couple of weeks.

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ivysunshine (May 11, 2017 - 4:34 pm)

@downwardslope is that for the 11/14 attorney-advisor job or the 11/12 general attorney job?

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jdmaryland (May 11, 2017 - 4:51 pm)

The general attorney position is interviewing the week of May 22

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ivysunshine (May 11, 2017 - 5:48 pm)

Thanks @jdmaryland.
was hoping there was also movement on the Attorney-Advisor 11/14 job

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lawrunner317 (May 11, 2017 - 6:00 pm)

I'm guessing notices to interview were already sent then for the 11/12 on 5/22?

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downwardslope (May 11, 2017 - 6:27 pm)

It seems like it. IIRC, there were only six slots for that one so I can't imagine they sent out that many interview invites.

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jayjd410 (May 17, 2017 - 12:19 pm)

Just received an email invitation for the week of June 5th for the 11/14 position. Does anyone know any specifics about the interview? I heard it's situational, but would like to be as prepared as possible.

Thanks to everyone who has been posting. I've been religiously checking this site everyday for almost a month.

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downwardslope (May 17, 2017 - 1:07 pm)

I got one too, but I declined since I have since moved on. It will be open for someone else. Mine was for next week.

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jewels (May 17, 2017 - 1:07 pm)

I received the same email, but my interview is for next Tuesday. Not sure about the specifics of the interview.

Does anyone have feedback on their offer to do it via skype/facetime. Due to my current job, I don't think I can make it down there on such short notice. Is it looked at negatively?

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kramer716 (May 17, 2017 - 1:59 pm)

Good luck. 99% of my questions were about legal writing. They asked me what was my most favorite thing that I have written. I would give you more specifics, but forgotten most of the questions.

My email from last year gave me the option to do the interview on the phone. Not sure if they give you that option.

Good luck to all.

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lkskins (May 17, 2017 - 4:43 pm)

Friend of mine got an interview today as well. My interview last November was only 9 questions and half of them seemed to be about introversion lol. Still salty lol

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jdmaryland (May 17, 2017 - 4:46 pm)

Congrats on the interviews! Has anyone previously interviewed for the general attorney 11/12 position?

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oddis500 (May 17, 2017 - 8:03 pm)

I got nothing. Congrats to those that did and best of luck!

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threedham (May 19, 2017 - 5:40 pm)

I was referred last month and got an invitation to an interview earlier this week. Interview is next week. For those who know, do they give you flexibility in choosing a start date? I'm a law clerk with a term ending in August and can't leave my job before then.

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whynot (May 19, 2017 - 8:04 pm)

I work at the Board as a judge. Yes we can be flexible about start dates. We understand the need to complete a clerkship or other responsibility.

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jdmaryland (May 19, 2017 - 9:58 pm)

Hi Whynot,

Does the board allow compressed schedules (e.g. 3 10 hour days and 2 5 hour days)? Are there set core hours when employees must be present?

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whynot (May 20, 2017 - 6:07 am)

Compressed schedules (9 or 10 hour days) are allowed after 1 year. Generally your schedule needs to start sometime between 6 and 9 AM and end some time between 330 and 6 PM

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dbtjr (May 20, 2017 - 2:18 pm)

Hi,

I was referred last month also. If you did not receive an interview last week, does that mean you are pretty much rejected?

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anonlawyer1502 (May 21, 2017 - 7:58 am)

Not sure about that dbtjr. Hope you get contacted soon.

Have an interview for 11/14 position. Anyone know how many spots are open? Chances of getting an offer? Thanks.

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anonlawyer1502 (May 22, 2017 - 9:37 am)

Bump. Any info on selection process?

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threedham (May 22, 2017 - 10:49 am)

They're interviewing candidates this week and next week, so I'd stay tuned.

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anonlawyer1502 (May 23, 2017 - 12:49 pm)

Anything at all coming out of the interviews?

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threedham (May 23, 2017 - 1:22 pm)

I interviewed. Very standard interview with pre-written HRish questions. Mostly about writing process and past employment. Panel seemed friendly, but they clearly were told not to stray far from the script. After the panel, you're handed off to an Attorney Advisor who shows you the workspace and answers any questions you have about the job, fairly informally. I did not ask about timeframe for offers, but I know they said they're looking to hire a huge number of people.

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anonlawyer1502 (May 23, 2017 - 1:23 pm)

Thanks a lot threedham. This information is greatly appreciated.

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legaleye (May 23, 2017 - 3:07 pm)

I interviewed for the GS11/12 position. They asked 6 questions that were straightforward (writing + working with others). They said they would submit their hiring decisions to HR on Wednesday (5/24) and it may take a few weeks to hear something from HR. Fingers anxiously crossed!

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anonlawyer1502 (May 23, 2017 - 3:16 pm)

Great. Good luck legaleye!

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jd2013ma (May 24, 2017 - 10:13 am)

Any specific information coming out of the interviews? Number of people being interviewed? Positions available? Particularly for the 11/14 role.

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threedham (May 24, 2017 - 3:11 pm)

I glanced at the sign-in sheet at security when I checked in for my interview and saw roughly 20-25 names. But I don't know if that was for just my day or the whole process.

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jd2013ma (May 24, 2017 - 3:51 pm)

@ threedham, did you interview for 11/12 or 11/14 position?

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threedham (May 24, 2017 - 4:06 pm)

Yes.

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threedham (May 24, 2017 - 4:07 pm)

11/14.

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jd2013ma (May 24, 2017 - 6:22 pm)

Anybody else have info to share about the process? Anything relevant to someone interviewing soon?

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threedham (May 30, 2017 - 10:09 am)

Goes without saying, but when people hear back from the Board with tentative offers, can you let us know? Thanks.

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legaleye (May 31, 2017 - 8:12 am)

Yes! Though, I went for the 11/12.

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longstreet (May 31, 2017 - 10:13 am)

Did you get an offer?

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legaleye (May 31, 2017 - 3:52 pm)

No, waiting to find out.

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jd2015ia (May 31, 2017 - 6:50 pm)

I interviewed for the 11/14 position today. I was told that they'd be interviewing through the 7th, that they would send their lists to HR that day, and that hopefully HR will notify people the week of the 12th. However, it might take longer.

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nats17 (Jun 1, 2017 - 10:18 pm)

I interviewed for 11/12 and am also still waiting to hear back.
I'll post if I can an offer (fingers crossed).

@jd2015ia, my six questions for 11/12 were straightforward, but nothing about writing. What type of questions did they ask for 11/14?

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legaleye (Jun 2, 2017 - 2:06 pm)

Was your interview in-person or via phone?

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nats17 (Jun 2, 2017 - 4:56 pm)

Mine was in person, with 4 on the panel.

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jd2015ia (Jun 2, 2017 - 4:26 pm)

It was nine questions for me. Each VLJ asked three. They were pretty standard HR questions -- strengths, weaknesses, etc. Some of them were about my writing process, but nothing out of the ordinary.

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fmb99 (Jun 5, 2017 - 10:17 am)

I interviewed for the attorney advisor position on May 23, and I have heard nothing back. I will post again when I hear anything.

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anonlawyer1502 (Jun 12, 2017 - 11:56 am)

Any new information on selection? It sounds like they are done interviewing. I don't want to wait any longer!

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ags15 (Jun 12, 2017 - 8:52 pm)

I hear you! I interviewed on May 23 and was told they would be done the 7th and then turning it over to HR. Hoping to hear something this week! I saw no news was good news here before - is that still the case? Can't wait to hear back.

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brownbear (Jun 12, 2017 - 9:40 pm)

I interviewed May 31st as well. I'll update if I hear anything.

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brownbear (Jun 12, 2017 - 9:40 pm)

I interviewed May 31st as well. I'll update if I hear anything.

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brownbear (Jun 12, 2017 - 9:40 pm)

I interviewed May 31st as well. I'll update if I hear anything.

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anonlawyer1502 (Jun 13, 2017 - 9:41 am)

When people do hear something, let's make sure that we post when we interviewed, the specific position we interviewed for, and any additional info that HR gives that may help those who haven't heard. Thanks!

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anonlawyer1502 (Jun 13, 2017 - 12:52 pm)

Has anyone called HR to get an update?

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kramer716 (Jun 13, 2017 - 2:22 pm)

I went through the first round of interviews back in the winter, so let me give you my recollections. I can't give you as good a read because our hiring process occurred during the hiring freeze which skewed things.


As for contacting HR, the only time I have heard of anyone having success getting a hold of someone they called early in the morning, and by that, I mean around 8 AM. This is just my observation, based on what I have experienced and what I have read on here. I wish you all well, and I hope you all get picked up. Good luck.

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raider3681 (Jun 13, 2017 - 4:24 pm)

Yeah, I interviewed on May 24th and haven't heard anything back. I finally decided to send HR an email asking for an update. But I guess I have little chance of hearing back from them with regard to my email.

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kramer716 (Jun 13, 2017 - 4:38 pm)

I think your best bet is to try calling, but even that is a longshot. I applied at the end of September 2016, and I did a follow-up email in October. They did get back to me then, but after I was interviewed I tried emailing for updates and never got a response.

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brownbear (Jun 14, 2017 - 9:15 am)

I sent a follow-up email this morning. I interviewed for the 11/14 position on May 31. The response to my email was, "interviews wrapped up last week- a selection memo should be going to HR this week." Will post again with any new information.

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raider3681 (Jun 14, 2017 - 10:05 am)

Thanks for the update.

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threedham (Jun 14, 2017 - 10:14 am)

That's good. So that implies that they didn't actually get the selection memo last week, as a panel had told one the posters was the plan. I'd hopefully expect emails to go out before Friday then.

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anonlawyer1502 (Jun 14, 2017 - 11:12 am)

Do we know how quickly it usually takes for HR to start contacting once the hiring memo is received? I wish one of the VLJs that was posting on this thread earlier would hop back on.

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anonlawyer1502 (Jun 14, 2017 - 9:57 am)

Thanks for passing that along. Good that you got a response so quickly.

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anonlawyer1502 (Jun 14, 2017 - 10:22 am)

Do we know how quickly it usually takes for HR to start contacting once the hiring memo is received? I wish one of the VLJs that was posting on this thread earlier would hop back on.

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anonlawyer1502 (Jun 15, 2017 - 1:27 pm)

Anything new? I'm struggling with the wait.

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threedham (Jun 15, 2017 - 1:51 pm)

I'm sure at least one person here will get a TO and let everyone know when it happens. I'll certainly post the moment I hear something.

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brownbear (Jun 15, 2017 - 1:59 pm)

I'll post as well. No news yet.

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anonlawyer1502 (Jun 15, 2017 - 2:14 pm)

I'll do the same as soon as I hear something.

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jayjd410 (Jun 15, 2017 - 2:33 pm)

I'll post too as soon as I hear something. I'm at the end of the alphabet, though. My interview was last Wednesday.

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anonlawyer1502 (Jun 15, 2017 - 3:02 pm)

I'm not sure that offers will be generated based on when you interviewed. Unless someone was told that's how they are doing it this time around. It sounds like they changed up the process a bit and all names are going to be given to HR at one time. If that's the case I don't know why people interviewing later would be the last to know.

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raider3681 (Jun 15, 2017 - 5:30 pm)

While I would love to get a job offer tomorrow, my hope is that they start informing folks about offers next week.

I'll post if I hear anything.

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ags15 (Jun 15, 2017 - 5:51 pm)

I also interviewed for the 11/14 position on May 23rd. @BrownBear, you interviewed for the 11/14?

The wait is killing me - I want to know already! lol. I was told at the interview they would give finish interviewing on the 7th and give HR the list then so I was hoping that by this week we would have heard but, from BrownBear's comment, it seems that they indeed finished interviews last week but are giving the list this week. The exact words, if I recall, were "we will finish interviews on the 7th and hand over the list to HR then". I took that to mean hand over the list on the 7th but maybe it meant after finishing the interviews on the 7th and possibly the week of the 12th as BrownBear said.

I read somewhere that they have 2 weeks to contact you after giving the list to HR? Is this accurate? That would make it June 26 as the earliest deadline and June 30th as the latest deadline if accurate (2 weeks from giving the list on the week of the 12th as stated by BrownBear). Others have stated they have typically heard back 4 weeks from their interview but seems these ranged from May 22-June 7th making the dates June 19-28th (4 weeks after interviews).

So much to say, I will post when I hear back. It has been good to know that everyone is on the same boat.

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brownbear (Jun 15, 2017 - 6:09 pm)

@ags15, yeah, I interviewed for the 11/14 on May 31. I didn't ask at the interview what the timeline was. But after seeing people posting here, sent an email to the staff assistant who arranged my interview. I thought that email was more likely to get a response, and it did. But the response was just what I posted "interviews finished last week, selection memo expected to go to HR this week."

It's always hard to say what timelines mean for the government. At least we know there's a good size group posting here so we'll likely hear the moment any of us get an update.

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ags15 (Jun 15, 2017 - 6:17 pm)

Yeah, as long as we all post when we get an update, we will know. We are all in the same boat so it is just procedural.

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brownbear (Jun 15, 2017 - 6:10 pm)

It is unclear from the message I received what, if any, time would elapse between the selection memo being sent to HR and issuance of offers

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fmb99 (Jun 16, 2017 - 11:05 am)

I hope that I am wrong, but I doubt they will be notifying us on a Friday, especially since it's summer. Hopefully next week though!

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ivysunshine (Jun 16, 2017 - 11:23 am)

My friend who got the job in December found out on a Friday night at 8pm.. you never know.
fingers crossed :D

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anonlawyer1502 (Jun 16, 2017 - 11:29 am)

Do we know whether it is email contact or phone and then email?

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ivysunshine (Jun 16, 2017 - 12:33 pm)

The people in December received their tentative offers via e-mail.

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ivysunshine (Jun 17, 2017 - 11:57 am)

I guess fmb99 ws right...
next week

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anonlawyer1502 (Jun 17, 2017 - 12:37 pm)

@ivysunshine did you hear something or just commenting on no contact this past week? I still have not heard anything yet.

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ivysunshine (Jun 17, 2017 - 9:33 pm)

No... Just commenting. I receive the same news as almost everyone else. At the end of the interview, I was told that they would finish interviewing on June 9th and that I should expect to hear from HR the week of June 12th. One of the Judge's interviewing me said "I would hope even Monday June 12th because we really need people in here."

I wish I knew more. C'est la vie... just trying to be patient.

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anonlawyer1502 (Jun 19, 2017 - 10:32 am)

Any updates? Or contact with the board/HR?

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fedhopeful1 (Jun 20, 2017 - 10:08 am)

still nothing. getting kind of frustrating

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kramer716 (Jun 20, 2017 - 11:07 am)

I would work off the assumption that you didn't get the job, you may still get the job, but for planning purposes, I would assume you did not. If you are hesitant to take any part-time work such as doc review, or if you have another opportunity I would do that. I would not wait for the feds. I learned this the hard way.

Just my opinion, take it for what it's worth. Good luck to you and good luck navigating the feds trying to get an answer. It took me three months, but that was a hiring freeze.

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threedham (Jun 20, 2017 - 11:40 am)

Respectfully, our situation is different from yours. When you hadn't heard anything, others were contemporaneously receiving TOs. In this hiring round, no one has gotten a response yet, and from all of the official info we have, HR just recently got the hiring memo.

Guys, chill. Someone will hear something soon. Enough people are posting here that at least one of us will receive a TO and let the group know when that happens.

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anonlawyer1502 (Jun 20, 2017 - 11:17 am)

I think it might be a bit early to assume anything. It sounds like they have changed the notification process as it does not seem that anyone has been notified of a tentative offer. People that interviewed in May are in the same boat as people that interviewed in June.

I hope we get more info soon.

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kramer716 (Jun 20, 2017 - 11:24 am)

Fair enough, and you are correct that the notifications come like a tidal wave. When I was rejected, everyone else was rejected on the same day. I don't know what your situation is, and if you are currently in a position where you will be all right if you do not receive an offer from the VA, then no worries.

If you are in a situation where you need the VA job, or something else, then I wouldn't wait to hear from the VA. If you get offered a doc review project for a few months, and you need the job then take it. Don't wait for the VA to get back to you. They will take their sweet time. You can always bolt if you get an offer. This may seem obvious to everyone else, but I was the idiot that didn't follow this advice.

Anyway, good luck to you all. I hope you all get picked up.

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brownbear (Jun 20, 2017 - 11:27 am)

All true stuff. They will definitely take their sweet time.

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brownbear (Jun 20, 2017 - 11:23 am)

The government is just slow. The judges who interviewed have little control over how long it takes HR to put together offer emails after they get the list of who's selected. If they wanted it done last week, then this week is reasonable. I wouldn't draw any conclusions at this point.

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anonlawyer1502 (Jun 20, 2017 - 11:37 am)

All good points. Has anyone else tried contacting HR or the board to at least see whether the hiring memo was submitted?

I'm hoping that a longer period of time at this stage means they really are bringing on a lot of attorneys.

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threedham (Jun 20, 2017 - 11:44 am)

If anyone here wants to call or email them or the admin assistant and post the latest line, I'd be grateful.

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kramer716 (Jun 20, 2017 - 11:53 am)

Just based on experience, and again this is based on my experiences back in December. I was interviewed mid-December and was told it would take about ten days to get a final determination. I heard nothing, so I waited until after Christmas to follow-up, and I emailed the admin assistant. I assume this is the same guy. He told me to talk to HR because once the interviews are over, it is out of the judges' hands. I emailed HR repeatedly over the next few months and heard squat until March when I was rejected. I tried calling a few times before March and never had success, but some people on here did. They called early in the morning, so if you want to follow-up with HR I would suggest calling them, and doing so around 8 AM eastern. Good luck.

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threedham (Jun 20, 2017 - 11:58 am)

Right, but people were getting offers during the period you heard nothing. No one has gotten an offer in this round yet.

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kramer716 (Jun 20, 2017 - 12:00 pm)

Very true, plus the pending hiring freeze in January made the situation a cluster----. Anyway, I will shut up on the topic. Good luck to you all.

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brownbear (Jun 20, 2017 - 11:57 am)

I sent a quick email. I'll update if I get any response.

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anonlawyer1502 (Jun 20, 2017 - 11:58 am)

Thanks @brownbear

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notreallyme (Jun 20, 2017 - 12:01 pm)

I too e-mailed the Staff Assistant. No response from e-mailing HR several days ago and it has been just about a month, so figure it safe. Will post any response.

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jewels (Jun 20, 2017 - 1:46 pm)

Hi all,

I just received a TO via email.

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anonlawyer1502 (Jun 20, 2017 - 1:49 pm)

Congrats @jewels!

When did you interview/what position/other details?

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jewels (Jun 20, 2017 - 1:50 pm)

Thanks! May 23rd for the 11/14 position.

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fedhopeful1 (Jun 20, 2017 - 2:00 pm)

just received an offer too. interviewed end of may, 11/14 position

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ags15 (Jun 20, 2017 - 2:06 pm)

Did you receive it around the same time as jewels? (That is to say, if after 1:46, then it was a later time). I am curious if these are sent out one by one or in mass?

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fedhopeful1 (Jun 20, 2017 - 2:11 pm)

I received it before I posted so I'm assuming the same time as jewels

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ags15 (Jun 20, 2017 - 2:23 pm)

What date did you interview?

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jewels (Jun 20, 2017 - 2:12 pm)

My email says it came in at 1:25.

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fedhopeful1 (Jun 20, 2017 - 2:13 pm)

same

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threedham (Jun 20, 2017 - 2:16 pm)

Can you tell if it was a mass email or personalized?

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anonlawyer1502 (Jun 20, 2017 - 2:13 pm)

I interviewed for 11/14 on the 6th. Anyone get an offer from that date?

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fmb99 (Jun 20, 2017 - 2:42 pm)

It looks like I'll be waiting a few more weeks for my rejection e-mail! Hahaha. Congrats to everyone who got an offer and best of luck!

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longstreet (Jun 20, 2017 - 2:45 pm)

You interview for the 11/14 or 11/12?

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fmb99 (Jun 20, 2017 - 3:00 pm)

I think 11/14, because promotion potential was to 14. My interview date was May 23.

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ags15 (Jun 20, 2017 - 2:47 pm)

Can everyone that hasn't gotten an offer confirm 1. that they haven't received an offer and 2. the date and position when they interviewed?

Idk how this works but it may be a few rounds of emails. If we know that many others haven't received an offer, it may help out.

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ags15 (Jun 20, 2017 - 2:48 pm)

I haven't yet received an offer and I interviewed on May 24 for the 11/14 position.

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threedham (Jun 20, 2017 - 2:49 pm)

I interviewed on May 22nd and haven't yet received an email.

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anonlawyer1502 (Jun 20, 2017 - 2:49 pm)

I interviewed on June 6 for the 11/14 position and have not received an offer.

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notreallyme (Jun 20, 2017 - 2:52 pm)

Interviewed on 5/23 for the 11/12 and 11/14. No message regarding either.

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brownbear (Jun 20, 2017 - 2:53 pm)

No offer here. Interviewed May 31 for 11/14. If the hiring group is large enough there may be multiple waves and multiple start dates. Or it could be over already. Hard to tell with the government.

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jayjd410 (Jun 20, 2017 - 2:53 pm)

Interviewed on 6/7 for 11/14. No offer.

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jd2015ia (Jun 20, 2017 - 2:58 pm)

Interviewed on May 31st for 11/14, and haven't received an email.

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anonlawyer1502 (Jun 20, 2017 - 3:03 pm)

Interviewed 6/6 and just got a tentative offer for 11/14

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threedham (Jun 20, 2017 - 3:08 pm)

Same. I interviewed for 11/14 on May 22 and I received a TO about ten minutes ago. So they are going out in waves.

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anonlawyer1502 (Jun 20, 2017 - 3:10 pm)

Congrats to all who have heard and good luck to those who have not!

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jayjd410 (Jun 20, 2017 - 3:33 pm)

Just got a TO at 3:28

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downwardslope (Jun 20, 2017 - 3:37 pm)

Anyone hear yet on the 11/12?

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brownbear (Jun 21, 2017 - 7:32 am)

Congrats all. What's everyone's start date? I'm wondering if they're all the same.

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threedham (Jun 21, 2017 - 9:31 am)

Start dates don't issue until final offer letters come out. But I talked to my HR liaison this morning and was told I'd have plenty options to choose from, including ones in late August/September.

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ags15 (Jun 21, 2017 - 10:36 am)

Brownbear, did you get an offer? Still waiting.

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brownbear (Jun 21, 2017 - 11:08 am)

No, I haven't received an offer either.

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notreallyme (Jun 21, 2017 - 10:36 am)

Also spoke to HR this morning. The message was that selections had been made for both the 11/12 and 11/14 and that at least some, but maybe not all, offers had been sent out. Rejection e-mails would be sent after the last of the offers are accepted by either the original offerees or alternates.

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raider3681 (Jun 21, 2017 - 11:19 am)

What number did you use to get in contact with HR? I've sending emails and haven't heard back.

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notreallyme (Jun 21, 2017 - 11:22 am)

The number listed earlier in this thread.

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longstreet (Jun 21, 2017 - 10:46 am)

So they have sent out 11/12 offers?

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ags15 (Jun 21, 2017 - 2:16 pm)

I called HR and they called backed leaving a voicemail. From what they said, if you haven't received an offer letter yet, that means you were not selected. Only chance of receiving one now is someone not accepting the offer which would then go to the alternates.

Frankly, this is kind of crazy. Top 10 law school and LLM with honors and I have friends selected now and before that went to Tier3 or 4 schools and have no work experience. Tired of document review and interviewing and never getting anything.

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kramer716 (Jun 21, 2017 - 3:02 pm)

If you are looking for a regular attorney position, I recommend looking at the AG's office of Guam. I am sure people are sick of me talking about it on here, but they are hiring. I worked there for five years and had a blast. Anyway, there is a Guam-specific thread, so would check that out.

I feel your pain with the VA. When they rejected our group back in March, they sent out an email saying we all advanced, then two hours later sent out the rejection email.

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threedham (Jun 21, 2017 - 3:04 pm)

I recently saw postings from the Northern Mariana Islands Public Defender too. Pays well and seems like an exotic location. Any US bar admission will work too. Definitely more exciting than doc review, and I guarantee employers will see that as a super cool work experience on any resume.

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longstreet (Jun 21, 2017 - 3:04 pm)

Thanks for the update. Well that sucks.

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fedhopeful1 (Jun 22, 2017 - 11:18 am)

for those still waiting, good luck!

for those that got an offer - we have to submit the form and make an appointment for fingerprints. that's it right?

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longstreet (Jun 22, 2017 - 11:20 am)

It seems that ship has sailed according to what the HR folk are saying.

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anonlawyer1502 (Jun 22, 2017 - 1:18 pm)

@longstreet that's what it seems like. If you hear anything different, please post. I'll do the same.

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anonlawyer1502 (Jun 22, 2017 - 4:03 pm)

@fedhopeful that's what it seems like. Please post if you hear something different. I'll do same.

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threedham (Jun 24, 2017 - 3:24 pm)

Yep, fingerprints and the form. Both were pretty quick and painless. Hopefully they come through quickly so we can pick start dates soon.

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legaleagle223 (Jun 23, 2017 - 11:02 pm)

anyone know if VA plans to hire more atty advisers after this hiring round?

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whynot (Jun 24, 2017 - 9:18 am)

Yes. As a large organization (almost 700 staff attorneys) we will definitely be hiring again even if we don't grow, just to keep up with natural attrition. Any future job announcement will be posted on USAJobs as usual.

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legaleagle223 (Jun 24, 2017 - 10:01 am)

Thanks. It looks like the hiring is done for this last job announcement. Do you know if they will still make selections from the closed job announcement for future positions? Or, will they just make a new announcement? Also, any thoughts on when a new announcement might come out? Thanks!

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longstreet (Jun 24, 2017 - 1:57 pm)

Has anyone on this board gotten an 11/12 offer? They all seem to be 11/14 offers.

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downwardslope (Jun 24, 2017 - 5:08 pm)

I know someone who interviewed and said it's been crickets on their end. However, there are fewer of those so it's likely the people who got those offers just aren't on JDU.

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longstreet (Jun 24, 2017 - 6:24 pm)

Yeah. That seems likely.

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threedham (Jun 26, 2017 - 9:29 am)

Guesses for time between submission of the form and finishing fingerprints to final offer letters?

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anonlawyer1502 (Jun 26, 2017 - 5:43 pm)

I hope it's later this week or sometime next week. Has anyone been told the range of dates they are trying to on-board?

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threedham (Jun 27, 2017 - 7:27 pm)

I asked my HR guy about timelines, because I'm finishing a clerkship in August. I was told I'd have plenty of dates to choose from and there will be no conflict. So that implies to me that they'll at least be offering late August/September start dates.

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notreallyme (Jun 27, 2017 - 2:52 pm)

I just received a TA for the 11/14. I am not certain if this means somebody declined and I got picked up via the B List, or if there are more offers to come. Figured I'd pass the info along.

Best of luck to all whatever happens.

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notreallyme (Jun 27, 2017 - 6:01 pm)

Oops. Autoco-rek'd. I got a tentative offer. T.O.

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threedham (Jun 27, 2017 - 7:29 pm)

How long you think fingerprint clearance is gonna take? I did them last Thursday, and looking back in this thread, it looks like people got their final offers not too long after they did fingerprints.

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joshdoctson (Jun 28, 2017 - 12:24 am)

As a point of reference, I got my final offer letter about 2 weeks after fingerprinting. This was also after choosing a start date and submitting my background check forms. This also occurred during the holidays before the hiring freeze, so YMMV.

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anonlawyer1502 (Jun 28, 2017 - 10:44 am)

Any new info? Anyone reach out to HR recently?

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threedham (Jun 30, 2017 - 3:33 pm)

Nothing since Monday when I asked my HR guy about timeline. I'm just waiting to get notice that my fingerprints cleared so I can get my final offer and start date.

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fedhopeful1 (Jul 5, 2017 - 9:28 am)

I received my EOD last week.

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threedham (Jul 5, 2017 - 9:58 am)

I got my EOD this past Monday, so roughly 10 days after I did fingerprints. I was offered three dates ranging from late July to September. Chose the September one. Excited to start and move to DC!

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fedguy (Jul 6, 2017 - 11:53 pm)

Hi guys, been following this thread and its been a big help. I was offered one of the GS 11/14 AA position that a lot of us seemed to interview for back in May/June.

I think its been said here, but am I correct that the current pay structure are grade increases every 52 weeks until you hit GS 13, and then a grade increase to GS 14 after two years at 13? I mentioned this to a friend who is fed employee at a different agency (non-attorney but still professional), and he was pretty amazed that the grade increases happened that fast.

Also, does anyone have experience living in DC as a GS-11, especially with a family? I have children so I'm trying to get as much input as possible.

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anonlawyer1502 (Jul 7, 2017 - 12:52 pm)

That's what an earlier post stated, but I agree that it does seem fast to get from GS 11 to 14 in 5 years.

I would also be interested to hear if that is still the case.

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lawrunner317 (Jul 7, 2017 - 1:04 pm)

Pretty sure that's the case. Depends on the agency though. As long as you receive at least a satisfactory performance evaluation each year, you should get those grade increases every year pretty much automatically.

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fedguy (Jul 7, 2017 - 3:27 pm)

Thanks guys. Its a great job, but the first couple of years in DC at that pay grade will be pretty rough.

I was offered a DOJ job last fall which started at 13 and had promotional potential to 15 (job got scrapped during the freeze). Anyway, I remember it being pretty clear that there would have to be more than the minimum time in grade before a promotion would be offered.

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jayjd410 (Jul 7, 2017 - 4:51 pm)

That is def the case. It goes 11-12-13-13-14 in the VA 11/14 position; with an increase in grade and salary every year. To the person who asked about how affordable it is to live in DC at this salary, it will be hard because they are starting everyone at GS 11 and Step 1. Step 1 is the lowest step; that's probably why they are more likely to hire and promote. The quick increase to 14 was probably created to incentivize quality lawyers to an agency that usually deterred them.

As for the DOJ/13 position. I'm at the DOJ currently; the increase in grade is slower here because if you start as a trial attorney you will probably be making the equivalent of a GS 14 at the VA @ Step 1.

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fedguy (Jul 8, 2017 - 9:33 am)

Great info, thanks! I was the guy who asked about living in DC on GS 11, which really ties to my question about the career ladder. I'm fairly confident we could tough it out for a year so long as the grade increases go as advertised.

On that note, any idea about OT opportunities at the BVA during Year 1. I read above that OT is plentiful but it looks like that is only offered after the first year...which really doesn't help supplement the initial GS 11 salary.

Anyway, thanks again for your insights.

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dcm1983 (Jul 8, 2017 - 9:49 am)

GS-11 in DC is very tough with student loans. You can get the cost down considerably if you commute, but a standard commute from a "cheap" $1,000-$1,200 place far outside the beltway will be 1-1.5 hours depending on traffic or metro's functioning. Telework is available after a year, which will largely solve this issue.

The overtime is offered frequently on the weekends, but not during the weekdays. The official rule is in order to do overtime you have to be able to complete at least 1 case during the overtime period. A case can take anywhere from a few hours to a full week depending on the difficulty, but the current quota gives you about 2 days per case.

So, you'll have to demonstrate that you can comfortably meet the quota within the normal week before you will be allowed to work OT. Many attorneys at the Board find it generally takes about 45-50 hours of work per week to hit the existing quota, and any work you claim OT for on the weekend will not count towards the quota. Management will likely increase the quota to a higher number in the coming months.

So, it's really best to get the production aspect of the job down before you try to take on overtime because you might actually need the weekends to help you recover from a quota deficit during your normal week.

If you hit your numbers you should be promoted, and the job goes to GS-14 over 4 years.

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legaleagle223 (Jul 8, 2017 - 10:19 am)

that sounds really sweet. any thoughts on when the next hiring round for va will start?

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dcm1983 (Jul 8, 2017 - 11:37 am)

Nope. Although, I know they do plan to expand over the next year. Right now there is not enough space in the building for the incoming hires. The hope is to bring new people in as people hit their Year mark and go on telework.

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kramer716 (Jul 8, 2017 - 1:05 pm)

The bringing more people in when the 1st-year hires can start teleworking makes sense. Assuming this is the case, then they will probably post an ad for more resumes in the fall. Do interviews around Thanksgiving, and start hiring people end of December-beginning January. This would match what they did last year, but this is 100% a guess on my part. I have nothing to support the theory.

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fedguy (Jul 8, 2017 - 2:03 pm)

Great info, thanks.

I seem to remember that you are an AA at the BVA, correct? I don't mean to blow your cover but I have asked these questions to a couple HR contacts. And while they are very pleasant and quickly respond, they don't really have any concrete answers. So it's nice to hear from someone already on the ground.

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dcm1983 (Jul 8, 2017 - 2:30 pm)

I would not rely on any one contact and certainly not jdunderground when making decisions. Everyone has a different experience and there is a lot of change going on in government generally right now. What is true today may not be true tomorrow. HR is extremely busy and won't likely have concrete answers about the future and neither will the attorneys or managers because it's all ultimately up to congress. I think the biggest takeaway is that you should just get as much information as possible from
as many people as possible and make the best decision for you.

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fedhopeful1 (Jul 9, 2017 - 3:00 pm)

Does anyone know how long training lasts?

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dcm1983 (Jul 9, 2017 - 8:03 pm)

The training is constantly changing. I believe the current training is a 3-4 week boot camp followed by a period of about 2-months of additional mentoring. It gives you a very basic of foundation in Veteran's law. You will be expected to have reviewed all the pertinent law and facts relevant to a case before asking questions. The attorneys and judges at the Board are generally pretty generous in helping you after that, but they have limited time due to their own production requirements. So, you really have to be able to look up the law and learn new things on your own to some extent. Veteran's law seems pretty simple at first, but it's actually very complicated. However, most attorneys at the board seem to feel that around the 2-year mark things "click" and you develop some degree of mastery over the subject matter. The first year is going to be tough, but after that it gets a lot easier.

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fedhopeful1 (Jul 9, 2017 - 9:21 pm)

is the boot camp in a group or individual?

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dcm1983 (Jul 10, 2017 - 8:11 pm)

group

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anonlawyer1502 (Jul 10, 2017 - 11:15 am)

Does your salary increase with steps throughout the year or do you jump from 11 to 12 at the one year mark and then get a one time salary increase?

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fedhopeful1 (Jul 10, 2017 - 12:06 pm)

For most agencies (including VA), attorneys are put on a sort of "fast track" where they don't go through all the steps until they've reached 14 or 15. So they just jump from 11 to 12 at the year mark. From what I understand, the step increases only happen at the year mark when you haven't received a grade increase for whatever reason.

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dcm1983 (Jul 10, 2017 - 8:17 pm)

It's automatic grade increased until GS-13. After that, you have to do a second year in GS-13 at step 2 before going to GS-14 at step 1. The GS-14 is a more senior level position and has greater work expectations. The promotions should happen pretty much at the year mark assuming you are "fully successful," which means hitting your quota. If you're not fully successful, you could potentially be kept at GS-11 or fired. The trend in government now is to make it easier to demote or fire employees for misconduct or poor performance. There was a bill passed recently that is specific for VA employees in regard to this, which may expand to other agencies in the future.

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legaleagle223 (Jul 10, 2017 - 9:14 pm)

are you aware of any attorneys that got fired at the VA for not making quota?

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dcm1983 (Jul 10, 2017 - 11:03 pm)

I have no idea what the numbers are, but yes they fire people. They assume that a certain level of attrition as a result of firings or quitting. So, you have to be able to deal with the threat of being fired if you don't make the quota. You will have about two years to prove yourself after which point you are considered "retained," but still subject to performance based firing. It's part of the culture. You will get some degree of help if you're struggling, but a lot of it will depend on a mix of your abilities, the demands of your judge, and luck of the draw with your cases.

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ajones (Jul 18, 2017 - 9:32 pm)

Fair warning: the working environment is getting pretty bad here. The new attorneys are being put in large rooms with dozens of attorneys side by side in a setup like a call center. Morale is very low, and a lot of people are quitting. DC cost of living is very high, and you will have to grin and bear this for about two years before the pay gets good.

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legaleagle223 (Jul 19, 2017 - 12:27 am)

thanks for the heads up--I hear that you get to telework, though, at VA. What is the telework situation (how many days a week can you telework, how long until you can telework, etc.
Thanks!

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kramer716 (Jul 19, 2017 - 2:33 pm)

I would happily take the place of anyone who quit. If any one interviewed in person, you had to think that they were going to go with a call-center type set-up. When they gave the tour, I figured that they couldn't fit the number of bodies they were going to bring in, and comfortably fit them in the space they had in the building. It was going to be a sardine can situation.

I lived in DC during undergrad and was able to do alright, but that was because I was/am a cheap SOB. I wouldn't mind returning, but it looks like an SSA job is, knocking on wood, more likely at this point.

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